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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 20 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ItsNicholasNYC @vestigia33 and

      Please show data confirming that social transition has no power to cause iatrogenic persistence in trans-ID'ed children. Given the stakes (later irreversible drug & surgical treatments, which typically result in permanent sterility), such data is vital to avoid "false positives."

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    2. Nicholas A. Grosskopf, EdD, MCHES (he/they)‏ @ItsNicholasNYC 20 Nov 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @vestigia33 and

      Olson-Kennedy, J., Okonta, V., Clark, L. F., & Belzer, M. (2018). Physiologic response to gender-affirming hormones among transgender youth. Journal of Adolescent Health, 62(4), 397-401.

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    3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 20 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ItsNicholasNYC @vestigia33 and

      In that particular study, the investigators report that children as young as 13 were administered cross sex hormones. You may consider that good practice. Others differ.

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    4. Nicholas A. Grosskopf, EdD, MCHES (he/they)‏ @ItsNicholasNYC 20 Nov 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @vestigia33 and

      Given the parameters and what we know about not administering such safe and reversible drugs, it's almost unethical to do so. You're asking for research that cannot be ethically conducted. The risk/benefit ration is completely lopsided.

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    5. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 20 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ItsNicholasNYC @vestigia33 and

      "Watchful waiting" is and has been the norm many places around the world (as @JamesCantorPhD elucidates in the link I sent you). It's a supportive approach that likely protects more kids from being wrongly id'ed as trans and regretting it later. Those kids matter too--don't they?

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    6. Nicholas A. Grosskopf, EdD, MCHES (he/they)‏ @ItsNicholasNYC 20 Nov 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @vestigia33 and

      All kids matter. But what about those youth who "watch and wait" may not be sufficient? They matter, too, don't they?

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Dr. James Cantor‏ @JamesCantorPhD 20 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ItsNicholasNYC @4th_WaveNow and

      No one said they don't matter. It's simply that if one postpones physical transition, one can can still transition. But once one intervenes medically/surgically, there is no going back. The consequences are not mutually equivalent. Primum non nocere.

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    8. Nicholas A. Grosskopf, EdD, MCHES (he/they)‏ @ItsNicholasNYC 21 Nov 2018
      Replying to @JamesCantorPhD @4th_WaveNow and

      Patently untrue. Not all medical intervention is an “abandon all ye who enter here” situation. There are plenty of reversible interventions, and patients and clients should be informed of all possibilities, including risks and benefits.

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    9. Dr. James Cantor‏ @JamesCantorPhD 22 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ItsNicholasNYC @4th_WaveNow and

      No one said anything about all medical interventions, just the (false) equivalence of the choices before us. I'm afraid I can't have a discussion when you refuse what's written in front of you and argue against items no one's brought up.

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    10. Nicholas A. Grosskopf, EdD, MCHES (he/they)‏ @ItsNicholasNYC 22 Nov 2018
      Replying to @JamesCantorPhD @4th_WaveNow and

      You made an extremely generalized statement about intervention that seemed very much like gaslighting. And no, I am not interested in having a conversation about the exception (not the rule). Clarity is key, particularly for those seeking information.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 22 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ItsNicholasNYC @JamesCantorPhD and

      Not interested. OK. But in this realm, the "exceptions" are young ppl who underwent irreversible drug/surgical interventions they now regret. They matter. It's vital to avoid false positives, especially when it comes to treating young ppl w/ undeveloped executive function.

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        1. Nicholas A. Grosskopf, EdD, MCHES (he/they)‏ @ItsNicholasNYC 22 Nov 2018
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @JamesCantorPhD and

          We can agree on that. But it’s just as important to address true positives, and sometimes “watch and wait” isn’t enough.

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