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    1. Nicholas A. Grosskopf, EdD, MCHES (he/they)‏ @ItsNicholasNYC 19 Nov 2018
      Replying to @vestigia33 @earlkralik @ZUCKERKJ

      What does this have to do with the evolution of gender identity?

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    3. Nicholas A. Grosskopf, EdD, MCHES (he/they)‏ @ItsNicholasNYC 19 Nov 2018
      Replying to @vestigia33 @earlkralik @ZUCKERKJ

      You’re conflating the medical and surgical abuse of children and supporting and affirming gender identity. I don’t see the point in taking it to the extreme when these examples are the exception and not the rule.

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    6. Nicholas A. Grosskopf, EdD, MCHES (he/they)‏ @ItsNicholasNYC 20 Nov 2018
      Replying to @vestigia33 @earlkralik and

      #1, reputable recommendations for pre-pubertal non-gender conforming DO NOT include any medical interventions. However, social transitions may be appropriate given family and social support.

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    7. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 20 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ItsNicholasNYC @vestigia33 and

      Please show data confirming that social transition has no power to cause iatrogenic persistence in trans-ID'ed children. Given the stakes (later irreversible drug & surgical treatments, which typically result in permanent sterility), such data is vital to avoid "false positives."

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    8. Nicholas A. Grosskopf, EdD, MCHES (he/they)‏ @ItsNicholasNYC 20 Nov 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @vestigia33 and

      "Gender-affirming medical therapy and supported social transition in childhood have been shown to correlate with improved psychological functioning for gender-variant children and adolescents."

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    9. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 20 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ItsNicholasNYC @vestigia33 and

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      You didn't answer my question about iatrogenic effects.https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/980140278203015168 …

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      4thWaveNow @4th_WaveNow
      Steensma: Social transitions "have never been studied" as a possible factor in increasing persistence rates. This is why we keep calling for studies that include a control group of dysphoric kids, fully supported in gender nonconformity, but not endorsed as being the opposite sex https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/759123950072958977 …
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    10. Nicholas A. Grosskopf, EdD, MCHES (he/they)‏ @ItsNicholasNYC 20 Nov 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @vestigia33 and

      Exposing trans youth to social conditions which we know to be harmful (e.g., non-affirmation of gender expression or any version thereof) would be akin to infecting folks with syphilis & not treating them to "see what happens" (hello, Tuskegee). This suggestion is ridiculous.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 20 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ItsNicholasNYC @vestigia33 and

      Please read Dr. Cantor's article. There is a third way, you know: fully supporting a child's gender atypicality but not endorsing the notion they are "really" the opposite sex. Comparing that kind of loving support to Tuskegee is absurd.

      7:17 PM - 20 Nov 2018
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        2. Nicholas A. Grosskopf, EdD, MCHES (he/they)‏ @ItsNicholasNYC 20 Nov 2018
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @vestigia33 and

          I'm commenting on your suggested "control" group. Control groups do not spontaneously exist in research. Youth would have to be randomized to a "wait and watch" control group. (1)

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 20 Nov 2018
          Replying to @ItsNicholasNYC @vestigia33 and

          Indeed, a RCT would be difficult. However, no one is bothering to study dysphoric youth who ARE supported in gender atypicality but not endorsed as opposite sex. Why? That's what's lopsided. Full disclosure: Our group includes such families. Some have happily desisted.

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        1. Nicholas A. Grosskopf, EdD, MCHES (he/they)‏ @ItsNicholasNYC 20 Nov 2018
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @vestigia33 and

          In order to avoid potential harm, all potential study participants would have to be okay with "waiting," which would ultimately bias the sample, making the results and findings completely meaningless. (2)

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        1. Nicholas A. Grosskopf, EdD, MCHES (he/they)‏ @ItsNicholasNYC 20 Nov 2018
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @vestigia33 and

          Suggesting that we randomize youth to a "watch and wait" control group when, in truth, the effects of waiting could be much, much worse than reversible hormone therapy--that's absurd.

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