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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 5 Nov 2018

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      1/ Read whole thread, w/ slides from Diane Ehrensaft discussing fertility concerns for kids on blockers + cross sex hormones. She basically argues kids this age are TOO YOUNG to make decisions re: fertility (& shouldn't even be asked--"disrupts" development), but... https://twitter.com/green_susie100/status/1059453278302420992 …

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    2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 5 Nov 2018

      2/ ....it's OK to sterilize them anyway because they might kill themselves otherwise, and the rate of suicidality for being infertile is low. Ehrensaft is a developmental psychologist, she knows kids are being sterilized before they can give informed consent to do that BUT...pic.twitter.com/kt9yGM7pzb

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    3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 5 Nov 2018

      3/ Even talking to them about potentially becoming infertile is upsetting; it's "TMI" (too much information). They want to be trans NOW so go with that, don't disrupt their developmental trajectory. So she admits informed consent is impossible and shouldn't even be sought.pic.twitter.com/j6LU9PVAsh

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    4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 5 Nov 2018

      4/ As always, many elephants in Ehrensaft's room, including: (1) These younger, not yet sexually active kids may have grown up to be gay or lesbian if allowed to; (2) might want to reproduce in future; (3) No evidence/data that kids must be blocked/sterilized to prevent suicide.

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    5. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 5 Nov 2018

      5/ Ehrensaft lays out normal developmental trajectory, while never acknowledging that early medical intervention will forever change these kids' relationship to not only reproduction, but sexuality--before they even understand how they might relate sexually to another human beingpic.twitter.com/JvtTWMPCxJ

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 5 Nov 2018

      6/ Indeed: It's a "heavy burden" to ask the young transitioned child about not only reproduction, but sex. Instead, clinicians should cater to child's desire to "ward off" the unwanted puberty; a puberty that will bring insights and changes they can't fathom before it happens.

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        2. Ni un paso atrás‏ @innisglas 5 Nov 2018
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow

          A prepubescent child is still at the stage of thinking that sex is yucky.

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        3. Faded Magnet‏ @FadedMagnet 9 Apr 2019
          Replying to @innisglas @4th_WaveNow

          Indeed; the first time I learned where babies came from, I was horrified. In fact, I didn't believe it. But when the encyclopedia confirmed, I realized that all was lost. ...Anything I had to say about sex at that time would have been rubbish.

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        2. Koa Whittingham‏ @WhittinghamKoa 5 Nov 2018
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow

          Firstly, I find it bizarre that talking to a child about their future as an adult is in and of itself considered disrupting their development (while literally disrupting it is not)- children talk about that all the time including having children of their own.

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        3. Koa Whittingham‏ @WhittinghamKoa 5 Nov 2018
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          Secondly, this doesn’t fit at all with how consent for adolescents is normally understood. Consent for adolescents is complex. They don’t have the full capacity for consent. But the limited capacity they do have is usually expressed...

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        2. susanna‏ @senior_witch 5 Nov 2018
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow

          Wait - they are too young to talk about fertility, sex etc. but they are old enough to say "I am trans" and demand puberty blockers?

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        3. Tamika Jones  🏳️‍🌈  💛 🐝‏ @TamJonesSC 5 Nov 2018
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        1. AGenderCriticalDad#BringBackMRKHVoice  🟥‏ @dad_gc 5 Nov 2018
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          It's clear that they see consent as just a hurdle to push kids over.

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        1. MrsMiggins  🕸 🏁 🤐‏ @MrsMiggins13 8 Nov 2018
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          This is child abuse, it's criminal and I hope those who are enabling and encouraging will be held to account

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