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    1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Mar 27

      Haunted Forrest  🌲 Retweeted ALL GANG WEED BRO

      Yes, as I said earlier: the real goal of congestion pricing is to keep something from being used to capacity (by pricing out most of the people who already use it)https://twitter.com/ALLCAPSBRO/status/978642426914058241 …

      Haunted Forrest  🌲 added,

      ALL GANG WEED BRO @ALLCAPSBRO
      Replying to @380kmh
      THE GOAL IS FOR RICH PPL TO MOVE AROUND EASIER SO I THINK THEY'LL BE HAPPY WITH #2 OR #3
      2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    2. Ricky‏ @rickyofmontay Mar 27
      Replying to @380kmh

      Yes, much better to let everyone suffer together in pointless misery that reduces the actual number of people who get where they’re trying to go.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Mar 27
      Replying to @rickyofmontay

      I'm really gonna need actual case study data to demonstrate that throughput increases if you keep using this line. A cursory search pulls up...simulated congestion pricing effects, but no real-world data: https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/congestionpricing/resources/benefits_savings.htm …

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    4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Mar 27
      Replying to @380kmh @rickyofmontay

      The model says demand drops 15% and throughput increases 50%! Excellent news since models don't just spit back out the assumptions of the people who run thempic.twitter.com/LzAQDcpRtM

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    5. Ricky‏ @rickyofmontay Mar 27
      Replying to @380kmh

      The model based off of typical driver behavior is capitalist lies. That sure is convenient. The point of contention I’ve mainly seen is how effective pricing is at keeping people off the roads, not whether throughput increases if that’s achieved.

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    6. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Mar 27
      Replying to @rickyofmontay

      My point of contention is that it offers no benefit if throughput doesn't increase (you're just charging more for the same congestion), so can someone please demonstrate that it actually increases throughput

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Ricky‏ @rickyofmontay Mar 27
      Replying to @380kmh

      Okay so you agree that if the congestion were eliminated, then throughput would increase, but that the drivers wouldn’t respond effectively to pricing?

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    8. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Mar 27
      Replying to @rickyofmontay

      My point is that congestion isn't so easily eliminated--that it's one helluva big "if"--and that consequently it may require a drastic price increase to noticeably reduce congestion

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Ricky‏ @rickyofmontay Mar 27
      Replying to @380kmh

      This is a fair point. Firstly, I think that toll roads show that pricing can reduce congestion, however toll roads generally slow down traffic as they enter them. The fact that Uber/Lyft have surge pricing I think shows that whether or not people make trips is malleable to price.

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    10. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Mar 27
      Replying to @rickyofmontay

      Toll roads still get congestion lmao, even after switching from toll gates to overhead automatic sensors--we just did this on the MassPike, and it still jams up (Japan has tolls on all expressways, they also get congested)

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Mar 27
      Replying to @380kmh @rickyofmontay

      Concerning Uber: the crucial advantage that they have is that *capacity increases when costs increase,* which in turn brings costs back down again. Can't do this with fixed infrastructure! New lanes don't appear when the prices jump

      8:21 AM - 27 Mar 2018
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