Yes, as I said earlier: the real goal of congestion pricing is to keep something from being used to capacity (by pricing out most of the people who already use it)https://twitter.com/ALLCAPSBRO/status/978642426914058241 …
My point of contention is that it offers no benefit if throughput doesn't increase (you're just charging more for the same congestion), so can someone please demonstrate that it actually increases throughput
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Okay so you agree that if the congestion were eliminated, then throughput would increase, but that the drivers wouldn’t respond effectively to pricing?
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My point is that congestion isn't so easily eliminated--that it's one helluva big "if"--and that consequently it may require a drastic price increase to noticeably reduce congestion
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This is a fair point. Firstly, I think that toll roads show that pricing can reduce congestion, however toll roads generally slow down traffic as they enter them. The fact that Uber/Lyft have surge pricing I think shows that whether or not people make trips is malleable to price.
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Toll roads still get congestion lmao, even after switching from toll gates to overhead automatic sensors--we just did this on the MassPike, and it still jams up (Japan has tolls on all expressways, they also get congested)
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Concerning Uber: the crucial advantage that they have is that *capacity increases when costs increase,* which in turn brings costs back down again. Can't do this with fixed infrastructure! New lanes don't appear when the prices jump
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