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    Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 16

    Kind of wild to me that despite being the busiest station in the UK, Waterloo is in a kinda underbuilt, run-down part of London. Penn Station & Grand Central don't have this problem, neither do Japanese stations like Shinjuku and Shibuya. Is everyone just transferring through?

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      2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 16

        Looking just at Network rail ridership, it clocks in at about 272k per day...which is lower than Penn Station by a surprising margin (312k per day, looking at LIRR + NJT + Amtrak).

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      3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 16

        TYPO, Penn Station is 352k per day, not 312k per day

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      4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 16

        I can't find any decently-cited numbers for Grand Central; I've seen 700k and 750k per day but this contradicts records saying that Penn is the busiest station in the Western Hemisphere, so not really sure what to think about this

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      2. Simon Sarris‏ @simonsarris Feb 16
        Replying to @380kmh

        That's definitely the same in Paris, where Gare du Nord is "shitty" (and huge) and chatlet (central paris station) is shitty/always under construction/huge/avoided/the main transfer. For Paris, the smaller the station, the nicer.

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      3. Maravone‏ @Marav0ne Feb 16
        Replying to @simonsarris @380kmh

        Was about to say this. Gare du Nord and chatelet are in some of the more run down areas of Paris and nonetheless are the busiest public transportation hubs of the entire metropolitan area

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      4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 16
        Replying to @Marav0ne @simonsarris

        Oh no I don't mean that the *station* is bad, but that the neighborhood that it's in the middle of doesn't seem to be very busy or developed compared to those around other terminals.

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      5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 16
        Replying to @380kmh @Marav0ne @simonsarris

        All these people coming and going, but nobody sticking around to spend any money there? No apparent rush to build offices etc in the immediate vicinity? Odd imo

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      6. Simon Sarris‏ @simonsarris Feb 16
        Replying to @380kmh @Marav0ne

        In Munich, there is a diverse range of.... kebab shops, in the vicinity. Something about the current arrangement does not inspire a rush to build offices, etc.

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      7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 16
        Replying to @simonsarris @Marav0ne

        All well and good for the last 20 years or so, but it's not as though the development booms at Penn Station or Shinjuku took place during that time frame either--why didn't they get built up, say, in the 70s?

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      8. Simon Sarris‏ @simonsarris Feb 16
        Replying to @380kmh @Marav0ne

        Good Q.

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      2.  👻 actually reading the news  😱 ‏‏ @djmicrobeads Feb 16
        Replying to @380kmh

        that area is one of the few remaining places in zone 1 where you can live without being the inheritor to a large fortune

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      3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 16
        Replying to @djmicrobeads

        that was my assumption after a cursory glance at the available housing stock

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      2. Samuel  🇬🇧  🇱🇻  🌲 ⁽ᵍᵃᶰᵍ ᵐᵉᵐᵇᵉʳ⁾‏ @50degreesam Feb 16
        Replying to @380kmh

        Waterloo is south bank. The City on the north bank was built up very early so there was no site for a large station; traffic from the south is split between the city stations (Blackfriars, Cannon Street, Charing Cross) and the bigger south bank stations (Waterloo, London Bridge)

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      3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 16
        Replying to @50degreesam

        Wall Street and Lower Manhattan were too built up for any major rail termini at the time, so they got built in Midtown instead...but this just dragged the locus of development to Midtown; I'm curious why the south bank didn't get the same result. Maybe bc it's much closer.

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      4. Samuel  🇬🇧  🇱🇻  🌲 ⁽ᵍᵃᶰᵍ ᵐᵉᵐᵇᵉʳ⁾‏ @50degreesam Feb 16
        Replying to @380kmh

        2mins on the Waterloo & City line means people just transferred to the city. Recently more and more business has started springing up on the south bank because of overcrowding on the north, though. Also, main reason it's run down: this is where bombs fell. Rebuilding was patchypic.twitter.com/hWXOeLRRUO

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