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    1. Ghost Waffle‏ @Octapode Feb 5

      Ghost Waffle Retweeted Mark Z. Barabak

      @380kmh how did the Japanese solve these sorts of problems for their bullet trains?https://twitter.com/markzbarabak/status/960561158624182274 …

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      Mark Z. BarabakVerified account @markzbarabak
      California's bullet train may or may not ever be built. In the meantime, it's created a vast stretch of blight, a "linear ghetto," through the heart of the state @RVartabedian http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-bullet-land-problems-20180204-htmlstory.html#nws=mcnewsletter …
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    2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 5
      Replying to @Octapode

      I wish I had more details, but the best I can say is they just built the damn thing without dithering. Construction began in 1959 and was completed in 1964, with service beginning the same year.

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    3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 5
      Replying to @380kmh @Octapode

      A lot of the planning about where it would go was settled long before they started building--the entire Tokaido and Sanyo Shinkansen routes were initially conceived in the 1940s, to be built for steam engines. The project couldn't be built while the war was raging...

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    4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 5
      Replying to @380kmh @Octapode

      ...and immediately after the war, there were far more important concerns than a railway that would pretty much just duplicate the existing main lines. But once the dust had settled and business had picked up again, the project came back up to increase capacity on the main lines

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    5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 5
      Replying to @380kmh @Octapode

      The route had been determined decades earlier, and some preliminary tunnel work had been done--there was still a lot of land acquisition needed to give the railways ownership of the proposed route, and the vast majority of the route hadn't had any work done yet...

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    6. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 5
      Replying to @380kmh @Octapode

      ...but somehow, all of that was taken care of in the 5 years of construction.

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    7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 5
      Replying to @380kmh @Octapode

      One thing they have in common with Cali tho is that the initial projected cost was off by 50%. JNR president Sogo had said it could be done for 200 billion yen, but it cost 400 billion, so he resigned in 1963 to take responsibility (& wasn't invited to the opening ceremony iirc)

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 5
      Replying to @380kmh @Octapode

      According to a biography, Sogo knew perfectly well that he was lowballing the cost; popular sentiment at the time was that trains would soon be obsolete, so he feared that if the price was too high, the project would never be approved

      10:03 AM - 5 Feb 2018
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        2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 5
          Replying to @380kmh @Octapode

          Fortunately the risk was worth it; the Shinkansen was an instant success and a crucial moneymaker for Japan National Railways at a time when they were financially struggling...the Shinkansen paid its construction costs w interest, then later its revenue was applied to JNR debts

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        3. Ghost Waffle‏ @Octapode Feb 5
          Replying to @380kmh

          How well do you expect the Cali bullet train to do, whenever they do get it finished?

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        4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 5
          Replying to @Octapode

          If they built a bullet train on the route they propose and operated it with the same standards they use in Japan (very frequent trains, mixed stopping patterns, etc), I would expect it to be very successful and popular--but I'm skeptical that they'll even finish rn...

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        5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Feb 5
          Replying to @380kmh @Octapode

          ...and I'm not convinced that the incompetence we're seeing now will just vanish when it switches from construction to operation. Texas will definitely get their HSR before Cali, and theirs will be operated by a division of JR Central, so I trust it will be well-run.

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