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    1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 25
      Replying to @MarketUrbanism

      POP = "well fuck it guess we're never gonna make money on this"

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    2. Market Urbanism‏ @MarketUrbanism Jan 25
      Replying to @380kmh

      Farebeating rates are about even, in some cases less, than line-up-singe-file-like-kindergartners procedures

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 25
      Replying to @MarketUrbanism

      Those Japanese providers don't fuck around with POP and as far as I know they're not plagued by fare-dodgers either

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    4. Market Urbanism‏ @MarketUrbanism Jan 25
      Replying to @380kmh

      Japan doesn't need to fuck around with PoP because they have trains where in the west we have buses

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    5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 25
      Replying to @MarketUrbanism

      They don't use POP on buses either dude, just the same fare media they use on the trains

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    6. Market Urbanism‏ @MarketUrbanism Jan 25
      Replying to @380kmh

      My point is that Japan's buses are not extremely high ridership, so slow fare payment is not as much of an issue

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    7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 25
      Replying to @MarketUrbanism

      Tapping a suica isn't exactly slow payment

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    8. Market Urbanism‏ @MarketUrbanism Jan 25
      Replying to @380kmh

      It's not the tapping that's an issue, it's the fact that you have to line up single-file like kindergartners to board what might an articulated bus

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    9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 25
      Replying to @MarketUrbanism

      Then it's a case for trains--not for letting everyone on for free, which will all but guarantee that high ridership never translates into higher-capacity service

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    10. Market Urbanism‏ @MarketUrbanism Jan 25
      Replying to @380kmh

      Just because you say "letting everyone on for free" doesn't make it true

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 25
      Replying to @MarketUrbanism

      Fair, lemme rephrase: facilitating fare evasion all but guarantees that high ridership never translates into higher-capacity service

      11:12 AM - 25 Jan 2018
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        2. Market Urbanism‏ @MarketUrbanism Jan 25
          Replying to @380kmh

          It is empirically not facilitating fare evasion because fare evasion does not go up with PoP

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 25
          Replying to @MarketUrbanism

          I guess I'm just seeing red after seeing people gloating about it--POP may not facilitate fare evasion, but fare evaders certainly prefer POP. Any POP systems that actually turn a profit out there? MTR in Kowloon, maybe parts of the German network?

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        4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 25
          Replying to @380kmh @MarketUrbanism

          POP strikes me as resigning to the notion that the system will never be supported by the ridership, and therefore rider needs will never be the top consideration in how the system is operated.

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