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    1. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Jan 22
      Replying to @sandypsj @380kmh

      I can get you diachronic data for weekday vs. weekend for a few places, like New York and BART.

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    2. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Jan 22
      Replying to @alon_levy @sandypsj @380kmh

      That said, neither NYCT nor BART has had any off-peak service cuts recently. New York's big cuts were in 2010, and BART still runs 2*3 tph.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
      Replying to @alon_levy @sandypsj

      there may not have been recent cuts, but if Uber etc are really siphoning off transit riders, it makes sense that they would do so at times when transit is least convenient--and in doing so, they prove that there is more demand for travel at those times than providers admit

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    4. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Jan 22
      Replying to @380kmh @sandypsj

      The problem is that the 2016 pattern on the subway in New York is really not consistent with the Uber siphoning theory.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
      Replying to @alon_levy @sandypsj

      I've been skeptical about the Uber theory, but only because of info I had read from Boston--what's the catch re: NY?

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    6. Sandy Johnston‏ @sandypsj Jan 22
      Replying to @380kmh @alon_levy

      I think one can say both "It's not all Uber's fault" and "crappy off-peak service is a big driver of ridership loss"

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    7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
      Replying to @sandypsj @alon_levy

      yes--in general i think transit providers want it to be uber's fault because then they can avoid blame

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    8. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
      Replying to @380kmh @sandypsj @alon_levy

      "you can't expect us to do anything, this is a technology shift" vs "ok, maybe the long waits, crummy facilities, and slow travel times ARE a problem"

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    9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
      Replying to @380kmh @sandypsj @alon_levy

      Unfortunately I'm not sure how many are even capable of conceiving of transit as something that's nice to use--which makes it very hard for them to make it so

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    10. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Jan 22
      Replying to @380kmh @sandypsj

      In Pioneer Valley? Probably none. But Pioneer Valley doesn't really have public transit. It's like Providence or New Haven.

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
      Replying to @alon_levy @sandypsj

      ...Providence doesn't have public transit? what do u mean here

      10:47 AM - 22 Jan 2018
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        2. Sandy Johnston‏ @sandypsj Jan 22
          Replying to @380kmh @alon_levy

          Alon's standards are quite European.

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
          Replying to @sandypsj @alon_levy

          what's the frequency tipping point for you two? I usually say 3/hr is the bare minimum for usefulness, 4/hr is when it starts to feel convenient

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        4. Sandy Johnston‏ @sandypsj Jan 22
          Replying to @380kmh @alon_levy

          I will tolerate 2/hr for a direct trip. Agreed with you on 3/4 per hour; 6 per hour is good service.

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        5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
          Replying to @sandypsj @alon_levy

          yes--6/hr is the baseline daily frequency at my former station in Tokyo, Tsurukawa (it's a local-only stop; express trains all skip it so the actual baseline daily frequency on the Odakyu Line is higher)

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        2. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Jan 22
          Replying to @380kmh @sandypsj

          What I mean is that I'd walk from Fox Point to The Temple Games because the bus frequency on Hope Street was nonexistent.

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
          Replying to @alon_levy @sandypsj

          right right, ok so you mean there's no *frequent* transit, ergo no useful transit

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