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    1. Sandy Johnston‏ @sandypsj Jan 22

      Sandy Johnston Retweeted TransitCenter

      Seems the downward trend is being driven by off-peak ridership nearly everywhere. Electeds who claim to be worried about this need to get busy funding weekend service at decent frequencies, unlike today.https://twitter.com/TransitCenter/status/955499555092615168 …

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      Rail ridership joins Chicago buses’ downward arc http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20180119/ISSUE05/180119872/whats-killing-cta-train-ridership-two-four-letter-words …
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    2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
      Replying to @sandypsj

      do you have more information on this? very important if true; I argue for the importance of off-peak service here at work but if I can connect the ridership decline to this shortcoming, my case gets way stronger

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    3. Sandy Johnston‏ @sandypsj Jan 22
      Replying to @380kmh

      Nothing more than anecdata at this point but it's something that keeps coming up in media coverage all over the places. Would be helpful for someone like @alon_levy to compile some data and anecdotes on this topic...

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Jan 22
      Replying to @sandypsj @380kmh

      I can get you diachronic data for weekday vs. weekend for a few places, like New York and BART.

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    5. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Jan 22
      Replying to @alon_levy @sandypsj @380kmh

      That said, neither NYCT nor BART has had any off-peak service cuts recently. New York's big cuts were in 2010, and BART still runs 2*3 tph.

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    6. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
      Replying to @alon_levy @sandypsj

      there may not have been recent cuts, but if Uber etc are really siphoning off transit riders, it makes sense that they would do so at times when transit is least convenient--and in doing so, they prove that there is more demand for travel at those times than providers admit

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    7. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Jan 22
      Replying to @380kmh @sandypsj

      The problem is that the 2016 pattern on the subway in New York is really not consistent with the Uber siphoning theory.

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    8. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
      Replying to @alon_levy @sandypsj

      I've been skeptical about the Uber theory, but only because of info I had read from Boston--what's the catch re: NY?

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    9. Sandy Johnston‏ @sandypsj Jan 22
      Replying to @380kmh @alon_levy

      I think one can say both "It's not all Uber's fault" and "crappy off-peak service is a big driver of ridership loss"

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
      Replying to @sandypsj @alon_levy

      yes--in general i think transit providers want it to be uber's fault because then they can avoid blame

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        1. Sandy Johnston‏ @sandypsj Jan 22
          Replying to @380kmh @alon_levy

          Yes. Convenient bogeyman. In the same way that TNCs play that role in the "OMG congestion!" debate. They're not helpful, per se, but they're also not the core problem.

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        2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
          Replying to @380kmh @sandypsj @alon_levy

          "you can't expect us to do anything, this is a technology shift" vs "ok, maybe the long waits, crummy facilities, and slow travel times ARE a problem"

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
          Replying to @380kmh @sandypsj @alon_levy

          Unfortunately I'm not sure how many are even capable of conceiving of transit as something that's nice to use--which makes it very hard for them to make it so

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        4. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Jan 22
          Replying to @380kmh @sandypsj

          In Pioneer Valley? Probably none. But Pioneer Valley doesn't really have public transit. It's like Providence or New Haven.

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        5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
          Replying to @alon_levy @sandypsj

          ...Providence doesn't have public transit? what do u mean here

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        6. Sandy Johnston‏ @sandypsj Jan 22
          Replying to @380kmh @alon_levy

          Alon's standards are quite European.

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        7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
          Replying to @sandypsj @alon_levy

          what's the frequency tipping point for you two? I usually say 3/hr is the bare minimum for usefulness, 4/hr is when it starts to feel convenient

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        8. Sandy Johnston‏ @sandypsj Jan 22
          Replying to @380kmh @alon_levy

          I will tolerate 2/hr for a direct trip. Agreed with you on 3/4 per hour; 6 per hour is good service.

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        9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jan 22
          Replying to @sandypsj @alon_levy

          yes--6/hr is the baseline daily frequency at my former station in Tokyo, Tsurukawa (it's a local-only stop; express trains all skip it so the actual baseline daily frequency on the Odakyu Line is higher)

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