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    1. Simon‏ @uncriticalsimon 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @uncriticalsimon @380kmh

      Maybe more likely, albeit at risk of losing capacity, is converting commuter lines to Tubes (as has historically happened, and could happen on the Hayes line). But again the problem is that Tube platforms are too short compared with existing Hayes line trains.

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    2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @uncriticalsimon

      I think part of the reason we're talking past each other here is that you're more focused on the specifics surrounding London's network while I'm trying to make generalizations for rail anywhere in the world...

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    3. Simon‏ @uncriticalsimon 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @380kmh

      Perhaps. The rest of the UK has overcrowding problems but more easily solvable with investment. And I'm not that familiar with other systems, except maybe Paris.

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    4. Simon‏ @uncriticalsimon 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @uncriticalsimon @380kmh

      Certainly I'm probably arguing from a "we are where we are" viewpoint. If we were building the Tube now we'd probably build it like Crossrail. But we have what we have.

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    5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @uncriticalsimon

      Right--and that's what I'm trying to get at wrt Boston: "if we were building the T now, we'd probably build it like Tokyo Metro, so let's take steps to make the T more like Tokyo Metro"

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    6. Simon‏ @uncriticalsimon 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @380kmh

      But Boston already has the T and it's not like Tokyo Metro. (It also felt quite run down when I was on it.)

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    7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @uncriticalsimon

      Not sure how this contradicts anything I said in prev tweet

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    8. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @380kmh @uncriticalsimon

      The T is obviously different from Tokyo Metro or it would be nonsensical to talk about making it more like Tokyo Metro

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    9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @380kmh @uncriticalsimon

      "If we were building the Tube now we'd probably build it like Crossrail" means there is a convergence in form between urban and suburban rail, but that this wasn't known at the time the former was built. Now that we DO know, we build the latter, & retrofit the former accordingly

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    10. Simon‏ @uncriticalsimon 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @380kmh

      I suspect it's too difficult to retrofit the Tube, and particularly the Paris Métro. Or the T for that matter.

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @uncriticalsimon

      Overnight? Of course. Over a long enough time span? Nonsense!

      11:37 AM - 13 Dec 2017
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        2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @380kmh @uncriticalsimon

          The only question is how long that time span would be. Gradual changes and incremental improvements + time = radical changes and dramatic improvements

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @380kmh @uncriticalsimon

          I trust, of course, that you wouldn't advocate making NO effort to improve the Tube/T/etc?

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        4. Simon‏ @uncriticalsimon 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @380kmh

          Of course not. But things like platform extensions or tunnel reboring can be very difficult.

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        5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @uncriticalsimon

          Right! So we either do them slowly, or we don't do them at all. I'm advocating the former.

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        6. Simon‏ @uncriticalsimon 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @380kmh

          Though there is an argument for leaving them as they are, with maintenance and limited improvement, and building loads of Crossrails to gradually replace them.

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        7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @uncriticalsimon

          Seems like a lot of extra cost to maintain and improve existing tunnels while building tons of parallel tunnels to eventually replace them--so long as you're maintaining and improving, why not do so in the direction of making them more Crossrail-like?

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        8. Simon‏ @uncriticalsimon 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @380kmh

          Reboring would be as expensive, and they have lots of inconvenient curves (they follow roads, which also have inconvenient curves).

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        9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @uncriticalsimon

          ...and building new tunnels wouldn't involve a lot of expensive boring?

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