And certainly historically commuter rail in London was far less attractive than the Tube in places where both are options (eg Enfield).
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Replying to @uncriticalsimon
"Commuter rail" in Tokyo is more or less indistinguishable from subways--they employ the same kinds of trains and even offer through service from commuter to subway lines. I talk about "commuter rail" so people know what I mean, but the term I prefer is "suburban rail"
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Replying to @380kmh
Something I've not seen in Europe. We have the RER concept, where commuter trains run through the centre in separate tunnels, but not commuter trains on subway tracks. Not any more anyway. (We used to - the District line once had trains to Southend.)
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Replying to @uncriticalsimon
The RER concept is pretty much the same concept
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Replying to @380kmh
It's a bit different because you have much bigger tunnels, longer platforms and fewer and further between stations. And less frequent trains (RER C in Paris is particularly bad for that).
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Replying to @uncriticalsimon
Differences in tunnel dimensions or platform length can easily exist *within* a subway network (Tokyo's has 3 different gauges and at least 3 different power sources!). Wider station spacing is the same from rider's perspective as skip-stop services on more dense lines...
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Replying to @380kmh
But isn't the Japanese concept that the *same* lines are both subway and commuter rail? Rather than having short-haul subways and long-haul commuter trains in separate tunnels?
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Replying to @uncriticalsimon
Japan has short-haul subway lines with no commuter rail through service, as well as short-haul subway lines with through service onto commuter rail, as well as commuter rail without subway through service.
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Replying to @380kmh @uncriticalsimon
Their commuter lines have short-haul and long-haul services, intercity trunk lines offer short- and long-haul commuter services as well, etc etc
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Replying to @380kmh
We certainly see that in Britain, it's hard to tell where commuter becomes intercity sometimes. Especially now BR has gone.
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Yes! And given enough time, the difference will blur further, converging on the same form in urban areas.
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