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    1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 13 Nov 2017

      prisons are generally in better condition than this; absolutely unacceptablepic.twitter.com/5BsfJT2fN3

      16 replies 18 retweets 167 likes
    2. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @380kmh

      It's not just the government (though that's a problem as well) it's not easy to keep a place in presentable condition when public urination is commonplace among the populace.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. half-aspirational‏ @ohtazer 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @BitingGadfly @380kmh

      Have you been in much of the NYMTA stations? Urine is destructive but can't account for a fraction of how these stations are fucked up.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @ohtazer @380kmh

      I was using "public urination" more as a representative vice of general public dysfunction. (Graffiti, littering, intentional chipping at walls, gum, etc. etc.)

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. half-aspirational‏ @ohtazer 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @BitingGadfly @380kmh

      Cool but my point still remains. None of those things are making tiles fall from the wall from behind, especially not into the train tracks from the other side of the platform

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @ohtazer @380kmh

      Oh yeah, absolutely the government is a big part of the problem, but there's a lot to discourage them from cleaning and maintaining stations when they'll be decrepit in a week anyway.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @BitingGadfly @ohtazer

      "why brush my teeth when I'm just gonna have to do it again the next morning?"

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    8. half-aspirational‏ @ohtazer 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @380kmh @BitingGadfly

      Also the graffiti isn't really that bad, tbh. The trash is terrible, but in response some stations have literally taken away the garbage cans?!? But yeah, trash/graffiti & cleanup that gov't is tasked w/still COMPLETELY separate from structural maintenance.

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    9. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @ohtazer @380kmh

      They took away trash cans because facts showed that increased availability to them didn't curb littering. Littering is a moral problem, not an infrastructural one.

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @BitingGadfly @ohtazer

      lol no they took them away bc terrorism threat

      1:54 PM - 13 Nov 2017
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        2. half-aspirational‏ @ohtazer 13 Nov 2017
          Replying to @380kmh @BitingGadfly

          You're probably right, but in this case they framed it as a test to see if it changed littering habits, which... I don't see the logic. If it's a moral problem, how does taking them away help anyone? Also it didn't, they replaced them, station was cleaner after.

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        3. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 13 Nov 2017
          Replying to @ohtazer @380kmh

          As I understand it they replaced them primarily due to political pressure rather than actual results "MTA officials insisted its workers have picked up less trash in the targeted stations since the program started."http://nypost.com/2017/02/14/removing-subway-trash-cans-has-resulted-in-more-track-fires-litter-dinapoli/ …

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        4. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 13 Nov 2017
          Replying to @BitingGadfly @ohtazer @380kmh

          Obviously the line about actually improving conditions is political dishonesty, they did it to save money on a service (trash collection) that wasn't having an appreciable benefit. I disagreed with the program since it punished people who didn't litter.

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        5. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 13 Nov 2017
          Replying to @BitingGadfly @ohtazer @380kmh

          But people who don't litter didn't generally start, people who do generally have such disregard that trash cans don't matter to them, they wouldn't care if there was one right under their hand.

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        2. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 13 Nov 2017
          Replying to @380kmh @ohtazer

          https://www.amny.com/transit/mta-ends-trash-can-removal-pilot-program-in-subway-stations-1.13330827 … First google result: The MTA has canned its pilot program that removed trash receptacles from subway stations as a way to reduce station littering.

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        3. half-aspirational‏ @ohtazer 13 Nov 2017
          Replying to @BitingGadfly @380kmh

          Yeah because it fucking sucked, the station workers started putting regular trash cans on the platform way before they replaced the official ones, and I never felt more of an impulse to litter than when I saw the signs about the shitty program.

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