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    1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 5 Jul 2017

      For profitable transit service, the suburban market is critical--lower costs than urban or intercity combined with higher potential traffic

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    2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 5 Jul 2017
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      Building at-grade is much more realistic in a suburban setting than in the urban core, while distances are still much shorter than intercity

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    3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 5 Jul 2017
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      That accounts for the sweet spot wrt costs. As for ridership: typically, the bulk of a metropolitan area's population is suburban

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    4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 5 Jul 2017
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      That population doesn't stay put in the suburbs, though, and frequently travels to and from the city center (or its subcenters)

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    5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 5 Jul 2017
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      Now, this doesn't mean you can *ignore* urban transit, which is the sort of keystone of the entire system--but that however important...

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    6. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 5 Jul 2017
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      ...transit in the urban core may be, it is unlikely to carry the volumes of people that suburban transit carries, and so won't make as much

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    7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 5 Jul 2017
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      The necessary disclaimer in all this is that it presupposes urban and suburban transit are operated at the same service standards

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    8. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 5 Jul 2017
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      That is, suburban transit can *never* pull its weight if it doesn't also have high-frequency all-day service

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    9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 5 Jul 2017
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      "Suburban transit" here strictly refers to its geography, NOT to a different standard of service--this is what America gets badly wrong...

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 5 Jul 2017

      ...with its notion of "commuter rail," thinking suburban transit is only viable for a particular sort of travel, rather than general purpose

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        2. Matt‏ @MatttttttttB 5 Jul 2017
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          This is maybe an uninformed question, but lower density doesn't inherently make suburban transit harder to sustain?

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 5 Jul 2017
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          it means fewer boards at any given stop, but this gets outweighed by the number of stops involved--assuming, again, hi-freq all-day service

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        4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 5 Jul 2017
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          In particular it means that half-measures that might still work in a denser environment will never work there: go big or go home

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