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    1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 15 Jun 2017

      Haunted Forrest  🌲 Retweeted ΧΡΙΣΤΌΦΟΡΟΣ bɝːd

      People always remember the invasions *from* the Steppe but tend to overlook the frequent invasions *OF* the Steppehttps://twitter.com/christopherburd/status/875369484105560064 …

      Haunted Forrest  🌲 added,

      ΧΡΙΣΤΌΦΟΡΟΣ bɝːd @christopherburd
      Replying to @380kmh
      Invasions from the Steppe were the motor of history for 1000s of years, then it ended. The oceans, from impassable barriers to European hwy.
      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @380kmh

      That's because there wasn't much on the Steppe for settled people to conquer/plunder, invasions of the steppe were preventative/retaliatory.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @BitingGadfly

      There wasn't much on the European side of the Caspian Sea, but on the Asian side? Plenty! Tarim Basin, Bactria, Sogdiana, etc....

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @380kmh

      None of those are in the Eurasian Steppe though, they were settled areas frequently conquered by nomads. They were urban from the start.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @BitingGadfly

      All of those are in the Eurasian Steppe, they were indeed urban from the start, but they were the urban side of the same nomadic people

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @380kmh @BitingGadfly

      The steppe peoples showed a pattern of herding/urban civilization, unlike the farming/urban civilization that prevailed in Rome, China, etc

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @380kmh

      Fundamentally different relationship between urban and rural communities imo. In settled world, there was free movement between the two

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @BitingGadfly @380kmh

      In the Steppe, there were stratified racial/cultural divisions. A rich mongol did not conventionally retire to the city

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @BitingGadfly

      There were very stratified racial and cultural divisions in the settled world too, and ppl tend to retire to the country, not the city

      8:34 AM - 15 Jun 2017
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        2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @380kmh @BitingGadfly

          You should def check out Beckwith's "Empires of the Silk Road" on these topics if you haven't yet

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        3. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @380kmh

          I'll take a look, but I'm suspicious of most recent scholarship tbh. They Tend to have agendas (right or left) that they twist the facts to

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @BitingGadfly @380kmh

          The fault of the thesis system I think

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @380kmh

          I think there's movement both ways, but the point is that mongols would almost never move to the cities except as conquerors.

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @BitingGadfly

          The Mongols were hardly the only people on the steppe!

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        4. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @380kmh

          No, but a Manchu/Magyar/early Kazakh/Hun/ wouldn't either. Similarities existed in all Steppe cultures. Same can be seen with Bedouins

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        1. Biting Gadfly‏ @BitingGadfly 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @380kmh

          Only in respect to serfdom as I understand it. The cities of china were teeming with failed farmers. No one looked askance at a Roman villa

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