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    1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @380kmh

      So, if you buy a ticket from Tokyo to Mito, it is valid for travel between those two cities...but if you want to take the express...

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    2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @380kmh

      ...then you pay an "express fee," which comes with another ticket--which, unlike the first kind, is checked onboard by the conductor.

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @380kmh

      If you're taking the express AND reserving a first-class seat, you pay a "green fee," which comes with another ticket, etc...

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @380kmh

      This cuts down dramatically on staffing needs: onboard ticket inspection is only necessary on trains with those additional services

      1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
    5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @380kmh

      Nowadays, most fares are paid using smart cards, but the principle is the same: one fee is charged at ticket gates, surcharges paid onboard

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    6. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @380kmh

      By making sure that everyone is paying for exactly as much service as they are using, railways can more easily keep costs in line w revenue

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    7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @380kmh

      Now, with that said...it's not *quite* a perfect system, and there are two ways to dodge payment...

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    8. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
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      The first way is what I call "joyriding;" you buy a ticket from your stop to the next stop, but ride around the network in between

      2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
    9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
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      This is no use for dodging fares to actually *get* anywhere (since you can't exit at any station not on your ticket)...

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    10. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @380kmh

      ...but it's a cheap way to explore the railways themselves, you just have to stay on board or inside fare gates at stations...

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016

      ...until you get back to the station adjacent to the one you boarded at, exit, and walk the rest of the way home.

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        2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @380kmh

          The second way is much more pernicious, and you can't get away with it using a smart card--only paper tickets. This is the 2-ticket approach

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
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          You buy TWO tickets, each for a single-stop trip, before going through the fare gates, and use different ones to enter and exit.

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        4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @380kmh

          There are a number of mechanisms in place, formal and informal, that prevent this sort of cheating

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        5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @380kmh

          The first is that ticket machines or clerks will only sell you tickets for their own network; eg you can't buy Keio tickets at Odakyu stops

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        6. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @380kmh

          Consequently, your range is already limited to within a single company's network. But that's just the informal barrier...

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        7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @380kmh

          The formal barrier is that tickets are marked in some way (usually a hole punch) as you *enter* the system, and that mark is checked at exit

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        8. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
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          So, when you try to sneak out of the system at your exit using the second ticket, you're very likely to get caught at the fare gates

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        9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @380kmh

          ...because the tickets are mechanically marked, and it's unlikely you'll manage to mark it the same way so the fare gate reads it properly

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        10. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @380kmh

          So REMEMBER! Don't try to cheat the trains! If you get away with it, you hurt them, and if you don't, you hurt yourself! #TrainTwitter

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        1. Robert Lennon‏ @FriarRJohn 16 Dec 2016
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          aka the Shinji Ikari maneuver

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