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    Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016

    A brief thread here about some of the main points in "Transport for Suburbia" by Paul Mees

    12:49 PM - 9 Oct 2016
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      2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
        Replying to @380kmh

        The central premise of his book is that population density is not the sole factor impacting transit ridership--"Density Is Not Destiny"

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      3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        Mees concentrates his research on the Anglosphere (USA, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ) and on Switzerland--no mention of Japan.

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      4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
        Replying to @380kmh

        First point--against "congestion pricing"--is that travel time has a greater influence on transport demand than price does.

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      5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        Ergo, a congestion pricing scheme makes driving *more* attractive, especially for the wealthy, to the extent that it reduces congestion.

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      6. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        Bearing in mind that time is more valuable than money, the goal of a city's transportation policy ought to be to *reduce travel times*...

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      7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        ...instead of the much more common goal of *increasing travel speeds.* Between 1993 and 2006, in Canada, only one city saw reduced trip time

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      8. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        This was Vancouver--travel times to work had *decreased* even though population had grown dramatically.

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      9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        During the same time frame, Vancouver had made improvements to its transit network, reducing trip times, while leaving congestion alone.

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      10. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        Contrast with Montreal, which left its transit network alone and tried to fight traffic congestion during the same time frame...

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      11. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        ...average commute times increased from 62 minutes to 76 minutes--and there was no comparable population growth to explain it.

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      12. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        In sum: Vancouver REDUCED travel times by allowing congestion, Montreal INCREASED travel times by trying to eliminate it.

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      13. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        Next topic--land use and population density. Mees quotes "Building the 21st Century Home," a widely-used guidebook...

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      14. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        "We may lament the decline in public transport...it must be recognized that reduction of housing densities has played its part..."

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      15. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        "...densities of 100 persons per hectare are required to support a viable bus service and around 240 persons per hectare for a tram service"

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      16. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        Sounds reasonable--except that by this metric no city in Europe should have trams, except Paris (with its 250 residents per hectare).

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      17. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        To counter the density argument, Mees considers the efforts of the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) between the 1960s and 1980s

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      18. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        Toronto has a small subway system; abt 15-20% of its residents live in walking distance of a station. But the remainder also use it...

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      19. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        ...because Toronto's bus network is *functionally* an extension of the subway. Feeder buses and trams timed to connect with subway trains.

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      20. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        Melbourne, despite having a far more extensive rail system than Toronto, has lower per-capita use because it ignores network principles.

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      21. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        Only 10% of Melbourne's train passengers get to the station by bus, vs 76% in Toronto. 69% walk to the station in Melbourne, 20% in Toronto.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      22. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        If Toronto only bothered w passengers who could walk to the station, it wouldn't have enough ridership to justify running trains every 5 min

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      23. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
        Replying to @380kmh

        ...seven days a week, as late as 1:45 AM. By synchronizing buses with trains, it dramatically increases catchment areas for each station.

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      24. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        This is a two-way synergy--the buses made themselves *more useful* too by syncing w subway. This allowed for frequent bus service all year.

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      25. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        Running every 10 minutes or better all day, with cross-city and radial routes, Toronto stands out for *bus to bus* transfers too!

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      26. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
        Replying to @380kmh

        Last major point--on transit ridership and urban form in Switzerland.

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      27. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
        Replying to @380kmh

        Mees mentions Switzerland throughout his book, but begins by looking at Sternenberg, a rural municipality near Zurich, population 349.

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      28. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        Most people in Sternenberg live in farms, or tiny hamlets of 3-4 dwellings. The village center is a few houses around an old church.

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      29. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        In the USA, Sternenberg would have no public transport at all. But instead, it has 7 buses every weekday, 5 on weekends (7 in the summer).

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      30. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
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        19% of workers in Sternenberg use transit; 10% walk or bike, the rest drive. That's better mode share than ANY American city except NYC!!

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      31. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh 9 Oct 2016
        Replying to @380kmh

        What gives? Density can't explain it, and even frequency is too low. Something else is going on here...

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