"...a free for all permissive space makes it hostile for most." EXACTLY! Glad to hear that libraries are starting to pick up on this too--public spaces need STANDARDS if they are to be welcoming, or even useful https://twitter.com/LewisP7641/status/1049698995512197120 …
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Whatever you, as an operator, tolerate in the behavior of your passengers, you also *command* other passengers to tolerate--or to leave. Most who have the option prefer to leave, and who can blame them?
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What is tolerant for one person might be hostile to 99, and what is tolerant to 99 people might be hostile for one. You can argue, if you want, about which side to favor--but if your mission is to get the most riders, there is no debate to be had!
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Inconveniently for me, my main gripe about bad riders ( = odor) isn't practical to solve without some kind of publicly available bathing facilities--and right now, people are loathe to even offer public restrooms. I think libraries & municipal offices would be where to start.
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Issues with body odor are likely tied to other, bigger social problems. But, at the end of a long day, many people are sweaty and smell bad.
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understandable--but it's not generally sweat (and when it is, it's not usually work-related afaict) that's the issue
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Not nearly as badly as here in Western MA, but yes, I do run into people there who smell like booze-sweat or stale tobacco. The difference is they appear to be coming from bars and aren't usually around during the day, and those smells aren't compounded by unwashed clothes etc.
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Replying to @380kmh
then it's some cultural artifact. maybe due to cars and more sprawl? how you smell isn't as important when you're in a car and no one is around.
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No, I think it has to do with not allowing the chronically homeless to hang out on trains all day
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That, and the lower incidence of homelessness in Japan to begin with. I promise you, most people in their cars in USA do not smell remotely as bad as some of the people I've run into on the bus. People have no idea.
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