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    1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 9

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      "...a free for all permissive space makes it hostile for most." EXACTLY! Glad to hear that libraries are starting to pick up on this too--public spaces need STANDARDS if they are to be welcoming, or even useful https://twitter.com/LewisP7641/status/1049698995512197120 …

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    2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 9

      Whatever you, as an operator, tolerate in the behavior of your passengers, you also *command* other passengers to tolerate--or to leave. Most who have the option prefer to leave, and who can blame them?

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    3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 9

      What is tolerant for one person might be hostile to 99, and what is tolerant to 99 people might be hostile for one. You can argue, if you want, about which side to favor--but if your mission is to get the most riders, there is no debate to be had!

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    4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 9

      Inconveniently for me, my main gripe about bad riders ( = odor) isn't practical to solve without some kind of publicly available bathing facilities--and right now, people are loathe to even offer public restrooms. I think libraries & municipal offices would be where to start.

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    5. Galahad‏ @JoustPosting Oct 9
      Replying to @380kmh

      Issues with body odor are likely tied to other, bigger social problems. But, at the end of a long day, many people are sweaty and smell bad.

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    6. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 9
      Replying to @JoustPosting

      understandable--but it's not generally sweat (and when it is, it's not usually work-related afaict) that's the issue

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    7. Galahad‏ @JoustPosting Oct 9
      Replying to @380kmh

      does japan have this problem?

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    8. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 9
      Replying to @JoustPosting

      Not nearly as badly as here in Western MA, but yes, I do run into people there who smell like booze-sweat or stale tobacco. The difference is they appear to be coming from bars and aren't usually around during the day, and those smells aren't compounded by unwashed clothes etc.

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    9. Galahad‏ @JoustPosting Oct 9
      Replying to @380kmh

      then it's some cultural artifact. maybe due to cars and more sprawl? how you smell isn't as important when you're in a car and no one is around.

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 9
      Replying to @JoustPosting

      No, I think it has to do with not allowing the chronically homeless to hang out on trains all day

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        1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 9
          Replying to @380kmh @JoustPosting

          That, and the lower incidence of homelessness in Japan to begin with. I promise you, most people in their cars in USA do not smell remotely as bad as some of the people I've run into on the bus. People have no idea.

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        2. Galahad‏ @JoustPosting Oct 9
          Replying to @380kmh

          then it's a mental health and housing problem. not a true transit problem.

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 9
          Replying to @JoustPosting

          The mental health of the chronically homeless has nothing to do with the policy of the transit operators regarding passengers who ruin customer experience

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        4. Galahad‏ @JoustPosting Oct 9
          Replying to @380kmh

          i think it does since public transit operators often take on the 'refuse' of society in many cities. would rather just shuffle them under the rug than deal with the problem. a bus becomes that rug.

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        5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 9
          Replying to @JoustPosting

          This is a *policy decision of transit operators,* though, not something they are magically compelled to do, or anything intrinsically related to transit's function (viz., moving large numbers of people)

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        6. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 9
          Replying to @380kmh @JoustPosting

          If we decide that buses are to be mobile homeless shelters, well, so much the worse for bus riders--but that's not what buses are actually for, otherwise they'd be designed very differently. As it stands, forcing transit to fill that role isn't great for the homeless, either!

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        7. Galahad‏ @JoustPosting Oct 9
          Replying to @380kmh

          that's exactly what i'm saying. it's not a direct policy that someone consciously made. it's exactly the same way that other guy was arguing that what the seats are made out of don't matter. no one is thinking about the actual impact of their policies.

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        8. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 9
          Replying to @JoustPosting

          And ergo it can be solved by correcting policies where relevant

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        9. Galahad‏ @JoustPosting Oct 9
          Replying to @380kmh

          yes. which might just be stopping the homeless from riding.

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