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    1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 4
      Replying to @380kmh @uncriticalsimon @capntransit

      Looking at this US data, you can see what I mean about long haul being the best market for freight rail--but that market constitutes only a fraction of the total. And this is for the country with one of the best rail freight mode shares in the world!pic.twitter.com/sFL6OyFL9u

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    2. Simon‏ @uncriticalsimon Oct 4
      Replying to @380kmh @capntransit

      Is there any scope for US mail to go back to rail?

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    3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 4
      Replying to @uncriticalsimon @capntransit

      Not sure--but I'm inclined to say that the high time value + high value relative to weight both favor air/road for most mail delivery

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    4. Cap'n Transit‏ @capntransit Oct 4
      Replying to @380kmh @uncriticalsimon

      Again, that's only because we've built out the road and air infrastructure so extensively, while neglecting rail.

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    5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 4
      Replying to @capntransit @uncriticalsimon

      Really not sure how you can call a nationwide network of profitable freight rail companies--which command one of the highest mode shares in the world--"neglecting rail" Neglecting passenger rail, sure--but that's because they prioritize freight so much!

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    6. Cap'n Transit‏ @capntransit Oct 4
      Replying to @380kmh @uncriticalsimon

      How many highway lane-miles were built by the government in the past seventy years? How many track-miles, net, were built by the government?

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    7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 4
      Replying to @capntransit @uncriticalsimon

      How many highway lane-miles existed 70 years ago vs how many track-miles existed 70 years ago?

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    8. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 4
      Replying to @380kmh @capntransit @uncriticalsimon

      You look at the EU or Japan, they also built a lot more highways than railways in the past 70 years. Ditto for countries like China more recently. The reason is obvious; highway construction was something new, while rail construction was fine-tuning something already extensive

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    9. Cap'n Transit‏ @capntransit Oct 4
      Replying to @380kmh @uncriticalsimon

      Oh, is that obvious?

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    10. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 4
      Replying to @capntransit @uncriticalsimon

      Isn't it? You could say the same about how many airports we built vs seaports or train terminals

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 4
      Replying to @380kmh @capntransit @uncriticalsimon

      Anyway, my point from the get-go still stands: it's not clear how much more freight we realistically *can* carry by rail, as we already carry a greater share by rail than most other industrialized countries, whereas those with better passenger rail mode shares carry less freight.

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        2. Cap'n Transit‏ @capntransit Oct 4
          Replying to @380kmh @uncriticalsimon

          That's more of a point about your imagination than about what can be "realistically" (a huge weasel word) done.

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 4
          Replying to @capntransit @uncriticalsimon

          What can realistically be done is increase rail's mode share in passenger traffic, reducing the mode share for private cars. This would have a larger impact on public safety & the environment than getting even more of our freight traffic onto trains, bc cars are so dominant.

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        4. Cap'n Transit‏ @capntransit Oct 4
          Replying to @380kmh @uncriticalsimon

          Sorry, I'm really not interested in other people's unsubstantiated speculation about what can realistically be done. If that's all that's realistic, then realistically we're all screwed anyway.https://capntransit.blogspot.com/2012/02/political-realities.html …

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        5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 4
          Replying to @capntransit @uncriticalsimon

          Literally right here in your linked article--the limitations of short-haul rail freight are not about policy but about physics, which is why *nowhere in the world,* no matter how pro-rail, is pulling it offpic.twitter.com/q1G7lw861n

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        6. Cap'n Transit‏ @capntransit Oct 4
          Replying to @380kmh @uncriticalsimon

          Again, that's a limitation on your imagination, not on physics. No government in the world is pro-rail enough to build a freight distribution system without any trucks.

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        7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 4
          Replying to @capntransit @uncriticalsimon

          Either - the entire world is unimaginative, or - you're overlooking a physical constraint Which is more likely?

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        8. Cap'n Transit‏ @capntransit Oct 4
          Replying to @380kmh @uncriticalsimon

          Have you *seen* the entire world?

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        9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 4
          Replying to @capntransit @uncriticalsimon

          lmao have you? if there's a country you know of which has eliminated trucks from its logistics, I'm very interested to hear about it

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        2. The Pumpkin Spice Avenger‏ @TaupeAvenger Oct 4
          Replying to @380kmh @capntransit @uncriticalsimon

          I think there is a lot of room for expansion of rail freight for long and intermediate distance runs, especially were we to toll interstate highways at a reasonable rate.

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 4
          Replying to @TaupeAvenger @capntransit @uncriticalsimon

          I'm definitely in favor of tolling limited-access highways

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        4. Simon‏ @uncriticalsimon Oct 4
          Replying to @380kmh @TaupeAvenger @capntransit

          You don't buy the "better to have everyone on motorways than on the old roads through villages" argument?

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        5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 4
          Replying to @uncriticalsimon @TaupeAvenger @capntransit

          No, because it's nonsensical--motorways are add-ons to an underlying road network, like HSR is to an underlying rail (and other transit) network. You can have old roads w/o motorways but not vice versa.

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        2. Michael T Spooky  🎃‏ @mtsw Oct 4
          Replying to @380kmh @capntransit @uncriticalsimon

          the obama administration's approach to passenger rail - to basically build out full new track networks of purpose built HSR rather than continuing to share ROWs with freight - seems like the correct approach?

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 4
          Replying to @mtsw @capntransit @uncriticalsimon

          It's worthwhile to build new ROWs in some places (and more or less imperative for HSR), but existing ROWs are already very well situated (especially in older parts of the country) and can't be ignored--moreover you can't have a viable rail system that's only HSR.

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