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    1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 3

      Haunted Forrest  🌲 Retweeted Market Urbanism

      That's a decent growth but man...if full service is just 16 daily trips, they're toast. Even the Hartford Line has that--and it has the advantage of serving more stations. America gotta realize that the only way to get money in passenger rail is in HIGH FREQUENCY servicehttps://twitter.com/MarketUrbanism/status/1046562405331988480 …

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      Market Urbanism @MarketUrbanism
      Brightline ridership up to 106k in Q2 from 74k in Q1, revenue up to $1.54m from $664k. Full service (from 11 daily trips to 16) started in August, bond docs say they expect a higher growth rate in Q3 https://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/business/brightline-passenger-counts-increase-still-remain-well-below-projections/C2goHqPyH4HZ4OqSoAGATM/ …
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    2. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Oct 3
      Replying to @380kmh @LowHeadways

      Miami-Orlando is longer, so lower frequency is okay.

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    3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 3
      Replying to @alon_levy @LowHeadways

      *for express trains,* provided that they're underlaid by more frequent local trains

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    4. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Oct 3
      Replying to @380kmh @LowHeadways

      Local trains are not where most intercity lines draw ridership from.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 3
      Replying to @alon_levy @LowHeadways

      not where they draw the majority of their ridership from, but they're a vital part--how many profitable intercity lines only run expresses?

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    6. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Oct 3
      Replying to @380kmh @LowHeadways

      The TGVs, for one! Even on the putative locals the stop spacing is triple digit.

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    7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 3
      Replying to @alon_levy @LowHeadways

      If they offered way more frequent trips and many more local trips--like the Shinkansen does--would they be doing better, or worse?

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    8. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Oct 3
      Replying to @380kmh @LowHeadways

      If they had cities to serve in the middle, then better. But there's nothing between Paris and Lyon on the LGV Sud-Est.

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 3
      Replying to @alon_levy @LowHeadways

      Unlike in South Florida, where Brightline's current route is heavily populated and its Orlando extension will pass Port St Lucie, Fort Pierce, Vero Beach, and Palm Bay, to name a few

      12:16 PM - 3 Oct 2018
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        2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 3
          Replying to @380kmh @alon_levy @LowHeadways

          And as for LGV Sud-Est...I'm still wondering why they never ran the route through Troyes and Dijon back when they built it, or at least added stops at the few towns they DID pass, like Sens and Le Creusot

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        3. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Oct 3
          Replying to @380kmh @LowHeadways

          They skipped Dijon because detouring to serve it would add several tens of km to the route-length. And there is a Le Creusot stop.

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        4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 3
          Replying to @alon_levy @LowHeadways

          Oh whoops re: Le Creusot... Granted Dijon would've made the route a bit longer, but if this graphic is any indicator, that would've been a better choice than what they're planning to do insteadpic.twitter.com/dPhFbH5CHr

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        5. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Oct 3
          Replying to @380kmh @LowHeadways

          [Dijon might also have required a tunnel. There are no tunnels on the LGV Sud-Est.] The LGV Sud-Est is ~100 km shorter than the legacy line.

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        6. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Oct 3
          Replying to @alon_levy @380kmh @LowHeadways

          The best Japanese comparison is the Chuo Shinkansen, modulo tunnels: ~400 km vs. 515 on the Tokaido Shinkansen and 550 on the legacy line.

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        7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 3
          Replying to @alon_levy @LowHeadways

          Right so TGV could've afforded to be closer to the legacy route mileage and still been a huge success, and even when a greenfield route cuts out a ton of mileage it's still smart to have stops at whatever towns it passes (Kofu, Iida, etc)

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        8. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Oct 3
          Replying to @380kmh @LowHeadways

          I don't think it could have served Dijon centrally either way; the only intermediate stop on an LGV through a city center is Lille.

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        2. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Oct 3
          Replying to @380kmh @LowHeadways

          Yeah, sure. It would be useful, but these places are still way smaller than Orlando.

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 3
          Replying to @alon_levy @LowHeadways

          ...and? Atami, Kakegawa, Maibara, etc, are hardly comparable to Tokyo, Osaka, or Nagoya

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        4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 3
          Replying to @380kmh @alon_levy @LowHeadways

          Even new routes like the Hokkaido Shinkansen have planned stops at tiny towns like Yakumo and Kutchan just because they're conveniently on-the-way

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        5. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Oct 3
          Replying to @380kmh @LowHeadways

          Sure, because they're meant to replace the legacy lines, which are being given to third sector railways.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Oct 3
          Replying to @alon_levy @380kmh @LowHeadways

          But on thick enough lines to have both kinds of traffic, there's way more express traffic. Compare Nozomi and Kodama frequencies.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 3
          Replying to @alon_levy @LowHeadways

          Compare Nozomi and TGV frequencies tho If they didn't run *any* Kodama, that would be one thing, but they still do--and it's not as if the 3rd sector or original Tokaido lines have *stopped* running; their operations are very much a part of the "run local trains too" aspect

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        8. Alon Levy‏ @alon_levy Oct 3
          Replying to @380kmh @LowHeadways

          Sure, but in places in Japan where population density and city size are more similar to the situation of Florida, it's down to Third Sector.

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        9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 3
          Replying to @alon_levy @LowHeadways

          There are 6.8 million people living between Vero Beach and Miami (well, a few are out in Homestead etc) and almost all are within 10 miles of the coast, no way this would be third sector in Japan

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