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    1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 24

      People continue to be astonished that reductions in transit service and utter neglect of transit facilities is turning away ridershttp://www.governing.com/topics/transportation-infrastructure/gov-workers-telework-public-transportation-commute.html …

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    2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 24

      "cheaper car loans, cheaper gas, ride-hailing apps, higher transit fares" how do you miss that there are *literally fewer trips being provided* it's staggering, I know, but if you have fewer buses on the road they'll carry fewer peoplepic.twitter.com/trAiIJqYO1

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    3. Hypertorus‏ @Rite_Brite Oct 1
      Replying to @380kmh @devonzuegel

      Does the decline in ridership come after, or before, the service cuts? BART had seen some recent non-commute ridership losses which are about safety - the schedule hasn't changed. They could increase ridership if they could get more trains going during commute peaks.

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    4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 1
      Replying to @Rite_Brite @devonzuegel

      Depends on the network--briefly, ridership *may* go down w/o service cuts, but service cuts *usually* depress ridership

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    5. Hypertorus‏ @Rite_Brite Oct 1
      Replying to @380kmh @devonzuegel

      I'd be surprised if you could find a service cut that didn't depress ridership, but I'd really like to see if that's what's happening, or if it's competition with Uber/Lyft/etc.

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    6. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 1
      Replying to @Rite_Brite @devonzuegel

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      If Uber/Lyft ridership has increased by the same amount that transit ridership has decreased, they may be the cause--but when I last looked into this, it appeared that most Uber/Lyft ridership was from trips that previously didn't get made:https://twitter.com/380kmh/status/1039262056673935361 …

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      Reminder that the talk about Uber, Lyft, etc "stealing riders" from transit is mostly nonsense: looking at these nationwide figures, it's abundantly clear that most trips made by ridesharing apps simply DIDN'T GET MADE before those apps existed. They are growing the pie! pic.twitter.com/ZIMQ4ppbQx
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    7. Hypertorus‏ @Rite_Brite Oct 1
      Replying to @380kmh @devonzuegel

      That chart shows that for 2017 - 2018, if about one fifth of new TNC rides would have gone by bus, that would explain the entire decline in bus ridership. But that's aggregating over entire U.S., where conditions are highly variable.

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    8. Hypertorus‏ @Rite_Brite Oct 1
      Replying to @Rite_Brite @380kmh @devonzuegel

      Has anyone looked at metro area by metro area changes as TNCs start operating? Especially late adopters, or those with fast TNC uptake.

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    9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 1
      Replying to @Rite_Brite @devonzuegel

      Maybe--I haven't seen such data yet, though. It's unreasonable to say that *none* of the decline in ridership is a result of uber, but the fact that ridership has increased in cities like Seattle, Phoenix, and Houston--cities which assuredly have Uber--says there's more at play.

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    10. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 1
      Replying to @380kmh @Rite_Brite @devonzuegel

      As it happens, those are three cities which have reorganized their bus networks, expanded service, or both--and at least two of them, if not all three, are hardly what urbanists would consider "ideal" in terms of land use vis-a-vis transit.

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 1
      Replying to @380kmh @Rite_Brite @devonzuegel

      Trying to determine the exact extent to which Uber et al have hurt transit ridership strikes me as trying to ignore the very obvious problems with transit (poor maintenance, unsanitary conditions, limited and dwindling service) in favor of an explanation that's harder to act on.

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        2. Hypertorus‏ @Rite_Brite Oct 1
          Replying to @380kmh @devonzuegel

          Some of those problems are also very hard to act on. Knowing whether there are other causes of lost ridership is important to know whether it's worth spending money attacking those problems. If you're not going to get the riders back, it may not be worth keeping the service.

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Oct 1
          Replying to @Rite_Brite @devonzuegel

          cleanliness, maintenance, and service availability are the responsibility of the operator, however well or poorly they can address those things--but the operations of a completely unrelated company are not

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