tiny highways for engine-less vehicles altho now with the rise of electric-assist bikes, even the health benefits of biking are on the way out
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I've said before--the whole point of promoting walking and biking, in my mind, had been that those modes *do not require their own dedicated infrastructure* as bike paths turn more and more into highways-in-miniature, this appeal disappears
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Replying to @TaupeAvenger
Think you mean: if the roads are overengineered, encouraging cars to drive recklessly Presence of cars alone is no obstacle to biking! Get the road right, and you can mix modes on it w/o issuepic.twitter.com/kFDrjSMlKH
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Sure. I have no problem with shared streets but given our standard street designs are suited for 40 MPH traffic roads become human-free zones.
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Replying to @TaupeAvenger
Right! I didn't expect you would have a problem with shared streets or anything--my problem with bike lanes is they are generally "giving in" to the 40mph traffic design, instead of fighting it
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Replying to @380kmh @TaupeAvenger
We need to get serious about calming traffic, narrowing streets, and making shared traffic possible--rigid segregation by mode, with 5 feet here for peds, 5 here for bikes, 10 here for cars, 10 here for buses, repeat on the other side, only makes that goal harder to achieve
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Replying to @380kmh @TaupeAvenger
those two are not exclusively different means of achieving the same goal. in fact, context-sensitive designs are often going to result in different street designs for different contexts.
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Replying to @andr_w @TaupeAvenger
Yes, mode segregation is pretty much necessary for major arterials (2+ car lanes in each direction as a rough definition), but the bulk of roads (including the leading pic in thread) don't fit that description
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Replying to @380kmh @TaupeAvenger
Once you hit a design speed above 25 mph and/or volumes of greater than 1,000 daily vehicles, people prefer separation like the original photo for sustainable safety efforts.
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1,000 daily vehicles is slightly over 1 car per minute for just 12 hours, or less than 1 per minute for 24 that is not a busy road! as for design speed, my whole point is we design way too many streets for >25mph that absolutely don't need it
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