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    1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 14
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      the whole point of "walkability" and things like that is to make cities places where people can climb the economic ladder again--and the whole problem with urbanism is that maybe just talking about these things isn't the best way to accomplish that

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    2. vor v zakone‏ @digitalvor Sep 14
      Replying to @380kmh

      I think we've overcome proximity-based economic realities through technology. The culture is waiting to catch up. The internet is killing all business but experiential business. Office will be next. Once it goes, cities truly will be reduced to playgrounds and dens

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    3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 14
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      No, proximity is still incredibly important--this is why so much of the country is stagnating, and why there is no rural equivalent of silicon valley or NYC. We are ignoring the importance of proximity to the ruin of most of the country's economy

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    4. vor v zakone‏ @digitalvor Sep 14
      Replying to @380kmh

      The suburbs are a testament to the fact you can scale up mobility effectively. I agree human scale mobility is preferable, but that's not married to cities and I think it will be less relevant in the future. I think we're experiencing a boom of twee bourgeois urbanism.

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    5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 14
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      suburbs *are* married to cities tho, you don't get a suburb popping up in the middle of nowhere with no urban economy to tap into aim of walkability in economic terms is less abt mobility and more about barriers to entry we are certainly experiencign boom of twee urbanism

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    6. vor v zakone‏ @digitalvor Sep 14
      Replying to @380kmh

      I live in a place where there are suburbs unto themselves built around natural resources and tourism. The end of the built form is not cities. The suburb as I understand it is a township - medium scale - and it's an economic engine scaled down. It needn't be huge.

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    7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 14
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      Bruh you live in a major metropolitan area--with the exception I suppose of retirement communities, those suburbs wouldn't be getting built if not for Miami/FL/WPB

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    8. vor v zakone‏ @digitalvor Sep 14
      Replying to @380kmh

      These suburbs exist because Flagler installed infrastructure (trains) which let people move here. South Florida is not an outgrowth of Miami. It grew up one town at a time. In my county Miami is not a job creator where I live

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    9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 14
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      Tampa, Orlando, etc, all had much more infrastructure much earlier than Miami did--but Miami outclassed all of them and grew tremendously, the rest only really catching up in the sunbelt boom Miami might be far from your town specifically--but how many work in Fort Lauderdale?

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    10. vor v zakone‏ @digitalvor Sep 14
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      A lot of people now, but before that people worked in Boca Raton. IBM located here. There was an entire era of medium scale economic activity built around suburbs in the 80s and 90s. The assimilation of all labor to the city is a relatively recent development here

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 14
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      IBM set up a branch there, but they're not *from* there--I'm gonna guess they wanted a branch location to serve the Greater Miami market and, as an already mature industry, needed to prioritize scale over proximity and so picked a suburban site. Close enough but spacious.

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        2. vor v zakone‏ @digitalvor Sep 14
          Replying to @380kmh

          They did manufacturing here as well as R and D. The business was international - fittingly - and as far as I know had nothing to do with export to Miami particularly. As far as I can tell Boca was selected due to the availability of space at a good price.

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 14
          Replying to @digitalvor

          Guarantee you there was substantial demand for IBM's products within Miami (which doesn't mean they ONLY served Miami--being a port city after all makes it an ideal point for international export too, which is itself a major factor in Miami's success)

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        4. vor v zakone‏ @digitalvor Sep 14
          Replying to @380kmh

          I mean, fundamentally, I believe that cities homogenizing effect on labor is bad and you think it's good. It's fine

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        5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 14
          Replying to @digitalvor

          No, I believe that American cities are not typical of cities in general or successful/growing cities in particular, and that conclusions drawn from them are not likely to be accurate in the future.

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        6. vor v zakone‏ @digitalvor Sep 14
          Replying to @380kmh

          Well, I guess we can agree on that

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        1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 14
          Replying to @380kmh

          That said--the point that medium-sized cities can compete less and less with larger ones is certainly true, but only serves to emphasize the primacy of location

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