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    1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 6

      Bus stop in the outer suburbs of Tokyo. Not sure why there's only a pullout in one direction, but it's a great touch. The area is mostly woods and mountains, only a handful of buildings. The sign is on a movable cement block, as typical in Japan, instead of bolted to the ground.pic.twitter.com/96nmRPOhen

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    2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 6

      Notice how much information is available on the sign! It's too blurry to make it all out, but I could identify these parts...in any case, better than MBTA or PVTA signspic.twitter.com/ndnrHt0WVi

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    3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 6

      During my 2014 visit to Japan, I made a point of photographing bus stop signs to get a sense of the information they offer. Here are details of one at Tsurukawa Station (a hub for buses): diagram w 5 routes, timetable for routes 21 and 22, then 3 timetables for other routes.pic.twitter.com/Gy9Xz8a6oH

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    4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 6

      The big "1" at the top of the route diagram might refer to the stop number, I'm not sure. Railways in Japan often number stops according to their position on a route (resulting in a sort of coordinates, instead of using unique IDs for each one), I wonder if buses do the same.pic.twitter.com/SR7ZuAAPzw

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    5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 6

      Another bus stop sign near Tsurukawa, then a bus stop in Arakawa, followed by closeups of its signs--you can see two different bus companies stop there.pic.twitter.com/yxKaAmcyXq

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    6. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 6

      Sign from the 2nd operator: this is a neighborhood circulator, aimed esp at serving the elderly or young children. It's a small vehicle making two one-way loops connected by a two-way segment. Because it stays in a small area, it's a flat fare ($2.10 adult, $1.00 child)pic.twitter.com/PlA1khkr9v

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    7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 6

      The wheelchair ramp on this bus is stored underneath the boarding door--if someone needs it, the driver hops out and sets the ramp up manually. It seems like a hassle, but it's faster than the annoying beeping mechanical ramps that are common in buses here.pic.twitter.com/1KarkT87r1

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    8. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 6

      a couple more signs, one from JR Hokkaido Bus in Sapporo, and the other from Seibu Bus in suburban Tokyo #bustwitterpic.twitter.com/Rs5ZUEbOM1

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    9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 6

      Detail of a Tachikawa Bus sign--from top to bottom, you have: - operator - stop name - routes and destinations - timetable - route diagram (also shows how much you'll pay depending on how far down the route you get off, and whether you use cash or an IC card!)pic.twitter.com/esBLRLxzjM

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    10. Perpetually Tired Phillennium Line  😴 👶‏ @PhillenniumLine Sep 6
      Replying to @380kmh

      Great info! Design... could use some help.

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 6
      Replying to @PhillenniumLine

      It works a bit better in Japanese...kanji are absolutely invaluable for dense information storage. To get the same info all in English would need a clever design.

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        2. Perpetually Tired Phillennium Line  😴 👶‏ @PhillenniumLine Sep 6
          Replying to @380kmh

          Mostly thinking the route diagram. It barely reads as a route at all, but I'll acknowledge there's probably some cultural differences at play in terms of what I expect these things to look like.

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 6
          Replying to @PhillenniumLine

          oh lmao--the top of the diagram is the stop you're at, and each text box as you read down is a stop on the way...

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        4. Perpetually Tired Phillennium Line  😴 👶‏ @PhillenniumLine Sep 6
          Replying to @380kmh

          Oh yeah, I got that much. Just a bit jarring to see a stop represented by a giant block of text rather than a simple dot. I gather that Japanese folks expect far more information than is standard in "the west" but it's not necessarily something that would work here...

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        5. Perpetually Tired Phillennium Line  😴 👶‏ @PhillenniumLine Sep 6
          Replying to @PhillenniumLine @380kmh

          ... and as someone doing information design/wayfinding for a career, I sometimes get people saying "this is how Japan does it!" But what works in Japan is not necessarily best for everyone (not that you said that... I'm just off on a tangent).

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        6. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Sep 6
          Replying to @PhillenniumLine

          Agreed--for me this is more a matter of cargo-cultish direct imitation vs trying to figure out the core concept and then creating a locally functional equivalent if that core concept is valuable. For instance, having a dot on a line w text next to it, instead of a block of text.

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        7. Perpetually Tired Phillennium Line  😴 👶‏ @PhillenniumLine Sep 6
          Replying to @380kmh

          Yes, exactly!

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