We see this attitude with schools and shopping centers too--gotta stick them far from town, surrounded by acres of parking, because without the parking nobody would get to them, and with the parking, nobody wants to be near them. See how this problem reinforces itself?
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Do you know that neighborhood at all? I'm curious where you would have put it that would be better? I'm still waiting on
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I guess another way to make the point I didn't make well in the first place: I don't think it's the transit stops themselves that are the problem so much as the developers in these suburbs. They regularly choose to build without transit options in mind. That's the insane part.
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Well, developers and city planners, to be realistic. The planning efforts in Portlands suburbs are a joke. The area where I live has a low-freq commuter bus line and that's it. It's not that Trimet could supply more, but they'd be empty because of the way people are spread out.
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Sure, I'll concede that there's not necessarily a better location on the line to build a stop (I might argue if it were a neighborhood I knew). So the trick is--once having built the station--to build around it, instead of leaving it to parking. Takes a long time tho.
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It's not just a long time. It's a commitment between the transit authority, the city and metro planners, the developers, and the community to be focused on a decades long plan. That's where things break down consistently.
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My main point is that picking on Trimet (operators of Portland's transit) is the wrong target. I'd argue they've done remarkably well, all things considered.
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That's reasonable, when comparing among American operators. But lest Trimet think they're already doing the best job *possible,* it's important to be clear on where they still fall short and have room to improve.
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It's also important, I think, for developers, planners, community members, etc, to have some clear picture of what Trimet is trying to achieve in the eventual future. We talk about using transit more, but many don't have a mental image more detailed than "status quo + a train"
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really the only good way to do this would be to implement national zoning otherwise nimbyism will get in the way (can't really blame people for it either) planned towns designed to connect to major cities could be a good start too
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Beaverton Transit Center has zero automobile parking
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