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    1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jul 3

      Population Density: 🇯🇵 870/sqmi 🇰🇷 1313/sqmi Land Area: 🇯🇵 146,000 sqmi 🇰🇷 39,000 sqmi GDP (PPP) per capita: 🇯🇵 $44,426 🇰🇷 $44,210 Density of capital region: 🇯🇵 3430/sqmi 🇰🇷 5646/sqmi

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jul 3

      People love to argue that the USA is too large, too sparse, and/or too rich to support passenger rail. By all these metrics, South Korea should have much heavier rail use than Japan. But in real life...

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        2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jul 3

          Ridership on High Speed Rail nationwide: 🇯🇵 421m 🇰🇷 57m Ridership on Subway + Suburban Railway in capital area: 🇯🇵 13.5b (only counting top 11 operators) 🇰🇷 3.8b Total ridership on "national" rail system (JR Group & Korail): 🇯🇵 9.1b (5% on HSR) 🇰🇷 1.3b (4% on HSR)

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jul 3

          Passenger rail use in Japan is FAR higher than in South Korea, which despite generally higher population density than Japan, relies far more on cars for transportation. This is not to say that density has NO relevance for passenger rail--but it's less important than you think!

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        4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jul 3

          Frequency of service, network extent/structure; these are both bigger factors--no matter how crowded your city (or country) is, YOU CAN'T USE A TRAIN THAT ISN'T THERE! So remember: - FREQUENCY IS FREEDOM - DENSITY ISN'T DESTINY Thank you for riding with #TrainTwitter today

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        2. The Pumpkin Spice Avenger‏ @TaupeAvenger Jul 3
          Replying to @380kmh

          Density at that scale doesn't matter very much for rail ridership - What seems to mostly matter is density within close proximity of the station and the intensity of development of business districts.

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jul 3
          Replying to @TaupeAvenger

          South Korea is (as far as I can tell) on par with Japan re: density near stations, and exceeds Japan re: intensity of development of business districts.

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        4. The Pumpkin Spice Avenger‏ @TaupeAvenger Jul 3
          Replying to @380kmh

          Then they should probably build more trains.

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        5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jul 3
          Replying to @TaupeAvenger

          yes!

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        2. Spooky Ecomarxist Bf  🎃‏ @GoodBoyMachine Jul 3
          Replying to @380kmh

          Americans have been convinced through black magic that somehow owning a car is an economical form of transportation and that trains are gross and icky

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        3. Garrett Wollman‏ @garrett_wollman Jul 3
          Replying to @GoodBoyMachine @380kmh

          Trains were gross and icky in the immediate postwar years because of deferred maintenance. Freeways were the thing.

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        4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jul 3
          Replying to @garrett_wollman @GoodBoyMachine

          And frankly they still are--we have yet to really catch up on maintenance

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        2. Harold‏ @nowarbutroadwar Jul 3
          Replying to @380kmh

          Your argument doesn't follow. That the US is too sparse for effective passenger rail in the modern era could be true without a relationship of density:usage. RoK could have bad policy. If you wanted to give a counterexample, you'd need a nation with…

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        3. Harold‏ @nowarbutroadwar Jul 3
          Replying to @nowarbutroadwar @380kmh

          …pop density & major population center distances similar to the US's with rail usage/cap. more like Japan's

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        4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jul 3
          Replying to @nowarbutroadwar

          See: Russia

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        1. Central NJ Yimby 🇺🇸 🚲 🏙‏ @YIMBY_Princeton Jul 3
          Replying to @380kmh

          New Jersey has higher population density than Japan. Commuter rail arguably not as good though. Actually it's not arguable at all.

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