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    1. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Jun 8
      Replying to @380kmh

      Well I think that last part is right, but I think creating infinite microsexualities is a way of explaining that truth to people with an object lesson. Plus, making flags and neologisms is fun as hell. And what's the harm?

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    2. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jun 8
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      I worry it will have the opposite effect...certainly it's fun to make up words and flags, like playing D&D etc, but you're kind of an asshole if you expect the world to care about your D&D character, and treat your game like it's real life. Not harmful, just asinine

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    3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Jun 8
      Replying to @380kmh

      But isn't that what individualism is really about? Expecting society to treat you as a unique individual rather than just another statistic, or cog in the machine?

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    4. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jun 8
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      No! It is about being yourself, regardless of societal recognition--what kind of individual needs the acknowledgement of society to be himself? And how does establishing a statistical category for you (which you presumably share with others) make you less of a statistic?

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    5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jun 8
      Replying to @380kmh @Noahpinion

      It's like trying to show how unique you are by telling people what town you grew up in--something which ipso facto lumps you in with everyone else in that town. If I choose to get more specific, say, my street, the problem still stands

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    6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Jun 8
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      But the town you grew up in, and the street, are important parts of what make you a unique individual.

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    7. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jun 8
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      So are your parents, so are your hobbies, so are the people you talked to and the places you went--and moreover, the same towns and streets produce very different individuals. So it ends up being a parody of individualism to act as though your uniqueness depends on...

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    8. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Jun 8
      Replying to @380kmh

      Sure. But do microsexualities limit the degree to which people can be affiliated with other microidentity groups? Let's face it: Tons of people depend on group identity for their sense of self. Slice up the groups more finely, and you move them closer to total individuality.

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    9. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jun 8
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      Slice them up more finely, and you only increase reliance on group identity for a sense of self--which is, in the first place, the opposite of individualism. Individualism is what makes you unique in any group in which you could be classified, it's not a list of all such groups!

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    10. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Jun 8
      Replying to @380kmh

      "Slice them up more finely, and you only increase reliance on group identity for a sense of self" <-- See, I think the opposite. I think big-group identities are much more effective at submerging individualism, and that the evidence for this is overwhelming.

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jun 8
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      Perhaps the big groups are more effective--it still suggests that the small groups also submerge individuality

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        2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Jun 8
          Replying to @380kmh

          But less so. Big groups allow segregation. They allow you to immerse yourself in a sea of people whom you can assume to be just like you. But as a lithosexual or whatever, you can't hang out with only lithosexuals. Most people you meet will be outside your microgroup.

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Jun 8
          Replying to @Noahpinion @380kmh

          You know what these microidentities are like? High school subcultures. The punks, the metalheads, the skaters. Those subcultures were an important part of the way my generation discovered their individuality. They were a key stepping stone.

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        2. Bad Thing Good‏ @Lambsy__ Jun 8
          Replying to @380kmh @Noahpinion

          I’m with Alex on this, small groups make individuals more visible and accountable for their share of adding to whatever said group wants to accomplish. If it’s built on side traits that don’t really represent the person outside of a small aspect of themselves it’s usually dumb.

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Jun 8
          Replying to @Lambsy__ @380kmh

          I'd agree with you more IF one microidentity was all that people defined themselves by. In practice they have a ton.

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        4. Bad Thing Good‏ @Lambsy__ Jun 8
          Replying to @Noahpinion @380kmh

          But an identity created to simultaneously create a community is usually p tribal(ish). People like to stick with a few communities at a time, not a ton.

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        5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Jun 8
          Replying to @Lambsy__ @380kmh

          But replacing macroidentities with microidentities ensures that any community is likely to be much more identity-diverse. You can't be friends ONLY with skater punks, at least past the age of 13.

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        6. Bad Thing Good‏ @Lambsy__ Jun 8
          Replying to @Noahpinion @380kmh

          Then I don’t see how this would be too different from the Squo, we already have spontaneous creations of subcultures all the time. Also skater punks just evolve to sitting at lunch with stoners.

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