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    1. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jun 5

      Haunted Forrest  🌲 Retweeted afai sfhjnkn

      Important point here! A bit overstated--transit functions well even if it's not operating at capacity--but the point holds, there is a GAP between what car traffic is capable of and what transit is designed forhttps://twitter.com/poiThePoi/status/1004049716177498114 …

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      afai sfhjnkn @poiThePoi
      Replying to @HollowFestival @planefag and 2 others
      The problem is that they're too dense and not dense enough. If I run a bus every 10 minutes, that's 6 buses. 80 people a bus, that's 480 people. Or the capacity of my street. And if I run less than 6 BPH, no one rides. Traffic hits gridlock well before transit starts working
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    2. afai sfhjnkn‏ @poiThePoi Jun 5
      Replying to @380kmh

      TBF, the question is: At what point does buying a fleet of quarter-million dollar buses (and paying the drivers and paying the pensions and paying the mechanics) make more sense than just having the riders all buy cars?

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    3. afai sfhjnkn‏ @poiThePoi Jun 5
      Replying to @poiThePoi @380kmh

      And the answer to that seems to be 10 minute headways. Ideally 6, but 10 if you can do it. /Also, buses without bus lanes... I took the bus from Mountain View to Palo Alto *once* (Dentist's appointment + afternoon meetings). 45 minutes for 6 miles at noon!

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      Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jun 5
      Replying to @poiThePoi

      oh you're talking at what *frequency* is transit worth it--and yes 10 minute headways are the beginning of "ideal" (the beginning of "adequate" is more like 15 minutes)

      10:35 AM - 5 Jun 2018
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        2. afai sfhjnkn‏ @poiThePoi Jun 5
          Replying to @380kmh

          Well, frequency converts to capacity pretty trivially. If you run a bus every hour, no one takes the bus (except the very, very poor). If you run a bus every 10 minutes, but can't get at least 3-4 people's worth of buses to ride your 6 buses at peak....

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        3. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jun 5
          Replying to @poiThePoi

          this is like saying you shouldn't build roads unless they will operate at gridlock capacity for at least a few hours of the day lmao Japanese transit typically maintains high frequency throughout the day, when trains are mostly empty!

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        4. afai sfhjnkn‏ @poiThePoi Jun 5
          Replying to @380kmh

          A bus costs a quarter million dollars and gets about 3 MPG, the drivers cost $100k/year plus matching pension in retirement (when they aren't actually driving the bus) plus bennies There's a break-even point at which cars make sense /Or Ubers, since Ubers don't need parking

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        5. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jun 5
          Replying to @poiThePoi

          Ubers (taxis) are much more useful than cars in this context--useful at higher densities than driving! But very expensive per passenger relative to distance traveled. Not viable on their own... Bus fuel economy and driver cost is not set in stone, and you leave out issue of fare

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        6. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jun 5
          Replying to @380kmh @poiThePoi

          Certainly it's important in USA to start charging passengers for the actual cost of the trip they take--this is something I discuss frequently

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        7. afai sfhjnkn‏ @poiThePoi Jun 5
          Replying to @380kmh

          At which point I would've been paying $24/day for my commute from Mountain View to Palo Alto instead of $10, and would've stopped taking the train and started driving. And that's a solo car, a family of four...

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        8. Haunted Forrest  🌲‏ @380kmh Jun 5
          Replying to @poiThePoi

          perhaps such a route isn't viable for train, then! but the only way to be sure is to see how many ride when the fare is correct--and on a related note, it is not just the cost of riding transit that is artificially depressed...

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