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Drs. Howard, Fine & Howard, Ph.D.
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Musings on NE DC goings-on, ancient Greek, decline of the Republic. 6C04 comm'r & Jeopardy! champion. Likes are ironic. See also @6C_PZE & @unsuckDCRA.

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    1. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative 1 Aug 2013

      Whatever you think of the program itself, insane that they just decided to make up their own rules b/c they didn't like 50 USC 1842.

      2 replies 7 retweets 3 likes
    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 1 Aug 2013
      Replying to @normative

      @normative I think that's one reason Wyden keeps hinting that all this began earlier. Structure = Cheney's program, no?

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    3. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 1 Aug 2013
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @normative It did begin earlier. See the 2009 NSA IG report from Snowden, which Wyden can't address bc not declassified.

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    4. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 1 Aug 2013
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      Also the Internet metadata program relied on 50 USC §1842 from June 2004 until it was shut in 2011, right? @emptywheel @normative

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    5. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative 1 Aug 2013
      Replying to @charlie_savage

      @charlie_savage @emptywheel That's my understanding. ISPs wouldn't keep the necessary info as "records," so no option but 1842

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    6. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 1 Aug 2013
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      @normative @emptywheel Also no installation of a device for the phone records

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    7. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative 1 Aug 2013
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      @charlie_savage @emptywheel Yeah, though as I understand it that's pretty flexible--the "device" can be a piece of code.

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      Drs. Howard, Fine & Howard, Ph.D.‏ @20002ist 1 Aug 2013
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      @normative @charlie_savage @emptywheel Fun fact: in Title 18 pen/trap statute, Patriot Act changed "device" to "device or process" passim.

      3:15 PM - 1 Aug 2013
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        1. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative 1 Aug 2013
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          @20002ist @charlie_savage @emptywheel Right right right. §1842 still just says "device" but incorporates the Title 18 definition.

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