Laura Jedeed (Misanthrophile)

Pence asked about Trump's appalling lack of safety procedures, and how Pence can ask the people to follow guidelines when they won't He trusts the American people. Waxes poetic about the administration's imagined efforts and the "sacrifices" of Americans Goes over time again

Clearly the rules of this debate are "Pence can talk as long as he wants to" This is APPALLING

Kamela: "the American people have sacrificed far too much because of the incompetence of the administration" Pence interrupts continuously, obviously. Just as obviously: the moderator does virtually nothing

Pence asked about whether Trump and Pence have a plan if Trump becomes incapacitated Pence: "I would like to go back for a moment--" The moderator says to stop it and obviously he does not.

Pence: the vaccine is coming, Harris must "stop playing politics with American lives" by undermining confidence in the vaccine (Harris said she would take a vaccine certified by doctors, not just Trump) He's on some tangent about the swine flu now. Blaming everything on Obama

"I'm sorry Me Vice President, your time--" This moderator is a soggy dish towel

Harris asked the same question re: plans if Biden becomes incapacitated and answers it for some reason...with 2 minutes of platitudes which have slipped through my brain like sand through the most indifferent seive She doesn't understand what kind of debate this ks

Harris looks annoyed and so do I Pence looks like he always does: like a Russian hit man contemplating a pair of especially fragile kneecaps

Harris talks about transparency; about health and about taxes She does what Biden apparentlu couldn't: bring up Trump's $750 income tax payment, his deep debt of 400 MILLION dollars Questions his financial motives as president Good job Kamela

Pence responds by painting Trump as a "businessman and job creator" who pays a lot in payroll taxes and creates jobs He says Trump had released "stacks" of papers with his name on them in Sharpie I'm kidding stacks of tax documents I think who can say really

We pivot to the economy which, as everyone not invested in the stock market knows, is Not Great Harris asked if a tax increase would jeopardize the economy She responds with some canned thing about how Biden is with working class america But she does hit Trump on the deficit!

The internet is being an asshole these tweets will not be as live as hoped

She's now talking about infrastructure and free college* and freezing every 5 seconds because @comcast is a scan *Means testing required

After some technical difficulties we have returned to Harris comparing Trump and Biden on healthcare

Kamela violating the time limits Good. Guess what: if the limits don't apply to Pence they don't apply to Harris either

Pence: "you're entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to your own facts" Projection, jesus christ Pence talks about how Harris has sworn to ban fracking and abolish fossil fuels Tragically these are Pence's own facts

We're on to climate change. Pence asked if climate change explains the devastating weather events of this year Pence says the adminstration has done a tremendous job of conservation really great the environment has never been better! Says the free market can fix climate change

We've made the environment better and we did it through fracking!! Pence sure does have a lot of facts Here's another: the hurricanes are just like they were 100 years ago, despite the lies of the "climate alarmists"

Harris asked whether Biden supports the Green New Deal, since Biden seems to change his answer depending on who's listening She opens by swearing Biden will NOT ban fracking He will not increase taxes for anyone making less than 400k a year He will create more jobs

Harris points out that the Trump administration removed both the word "science" and the phrase "climate change" from various government documents "Joe has a plan," she says. Calls climate change an existential threat

Pence asked whether climate change is an existential threat "Climate is changing," he says. "We'll follow the science" Then he's off about taxes and the economy and fracking again

Harris talking about the trade war in China and I thought this was the climate change section but who can really know anything anymore where's my beer

Pence: "We lost the trade war with china?! Biden never fought it!" Repeats the "you aren't entitled to your own facts" line: clearly hoping that'll be the quote of the night

Pence asked about foreign policy He denounces NAFTA and says some other stuff that I'm having a real hard time caring about

Oh cool now he's talking about Trump "standing up to China" in the wake of "Joe Biden's cheerleading for China." Really riding that thing where closing the border to China saved lives. Describes COVID as something China did to us. Cool

Kamela Harris taking us back to jobs lost in Trump's failed trade war She claims more people approve of Xi Jinping than Trump which is a good burn I guess

Joe likes to tell Kamela that foreign policy isn't hard, it's all about relationships

Kamlea rightly criticizing Trump's decision to pull he out of the Iranian nuclear deal and thus made Americans more unsafe When she's right she's right

Pence instantly responds by you thing Trump's endorsement of moving the Israeli capital to Jerusalem Now he's talking about how Trump "unleashed the military" to destroy ISIS

I think Pence just said that Trump could have prevented ISIS deaths ubder the Obama administration Pence goes over time by at least 30 seconds and the moderator says something passive aggressive about it and I'm sure that really showed Pence oh boy you really roasted him