Laura Jedeed (Misanthrophile)

So when we call Proud Boys neonazis you're gonna get low-level Proud Boys who can honestly say, hey, I'm not a neonazi. Then they say, you just think everyone is Nazis. Which, look, we're deep in semantics but it's a powerful rhetorical device for them

Language [propaganda] of the group, in this case PB/PP/3p does not preclude their engagement in neonazi paramilitary action. Their barely clever language only provides a thin veil for their neonazi action. By calling them what they are known by action to be - we lift that veil.

The alternative is engaging with their propaganda on their terms which makes us disseminators of thier rhetoric and thus a function of the recruitment pipeline.

I see your point here. And honestly as they continue to engage in action indistinguishable from white nationalist action, this might be right. I might be stuck 2 years ago with my logic

My hope is to be able to better reach people who will stop reading at the word "Nazi" but might continue reading if they see "far right" and then learn about the bad shit these groups do and the bad ways of thinking they teach We may be past that, I acknowledge

I understand. I think we are at apoint where we need to educate folks on the brownshirts, because PB is aware and using the tactics and teaching other groups how to use them. I get even neonazi as a term elicits eye rolls. They need to be identified as antidemocracy paramilitary.

They seek to upset the democratic process and use their clubs to insert fascist loyalitsts who are seemingly reasonable into official positions while villianizing BLM, Indigenous, and AF as a selling point to the people through the media.

The only way, imo, we get to heal as a nation is if we turn the public against all fascist speech so that we can get it's use outlawed. It's painful, to damage free speech this way, but it is necessary. It is the fascists that force democracy to make this sacrifice. We can heal.