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Ok so before I launch into this: different does not mean better The big difference between say, Proud Boys and Atomwaffen, is that Atomwaffen is overtly white supremacist. No non-white people allowed. As in, expulsion (at best) of non-whites from America as explicit policy
We both know plenty of Proud Boys believe all of that shit. But they don't say it out loud. They accept non-white members. They talk about civic nationalism, not ethnonationalism These are dog whistles but the fact they use dog whistles at all is important. Plausible deniability
There are members and supporters of the Proud Boys who aren't neonazis. They're chuds and awful but don't believe in ethnonationalism--yet It's a pipeline in that direction, but a lot of them are at the beginning
So when we call Proud Boys neonazis you're gonna get low-level Proud Boys who can honestly say, hey, I'm not a neonazi. Then they say, you just think everyone is Nazis. Which, look, we're deep in semantics but it's a powerful rhetorical device for them
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