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  1. @jvadnais Guess? 4-3 upholding prop 8 in general, 4-3 leaving marriages intact, the latter 4-3 as per "In Re Marriage", Kennard the swing.
  2. @Josh_A It's really timed. The time limits were published in advance, that was all entirely above board.
  3. MLP: I'm going to go see Watchmen. More commentary later on my blog, http://maradydd.livejournal.com
  4. JD: Phew! Is right! Definitely time for lunch! #prop8arg
  5. MLP: Phew. What a fascinating three hours. Thanks to my co-commentator @joedecker - we'll definitely do this again! #prop8arg
  6. JD: Thanks, everyone! #prop8args
  7. JD to MLP: Thansks, I'm glad you were able to join me!
  8. @qrty MLP: Fair enough, but the Court can overturn P8 as unconstitutional prima facie. Happened in Colorado. #prop8arg
  9. JD: And that's a wrap.
  10. MLP: Many inalienable rights are civil, but in the case of privacy and therefore marriage, LGBT have been denied these inalienable rights.
  11. @lizatblackrose (JD) Agreed, and those marriages ARE important to me. I just believe that it's critical to society we win both battles.
  12. MLP: Kennard is confusing civil rights (right to amend) with inalienable rights. Someone needs to say this. #prop8arg
  13. MLP: Len Sassaman: "Inalienable rights are natural rights. They are the rights of a person. A civil right is a right granted by statute."
  14. JD: MLP: Agreed. Pity, since she is probably the swing vote we need. #prop8arg
  15. MLP: Article 1, Section 1 lists inalienable rights -- liberty, privacy, &c. I don't think the right to amend is in there. #prop8arg
  16. MLP: However -- is the people's right to amend listed as inalienable in the the CA Constitution? I think Kennard's on crack here. #prop8arg
  17. MLP: This is like an irresistible force vs. immovable object argument - inalienable right of ppl to amend vs inalienable right to liberty.
  18. JD: MLP: Nope, I was assuming therefore prob. wrong. :) #prop8arg
  19. @lizatblackrose The Court seems a little unwilling to consider that possibility. Not quite sure why.
  20. MLP: JD - did they say Krueger would be up? I didn't hear his name, might have misheard though.