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@tathamoddie That would only be appropriate because of the fact that it's Modern Amusement 8:37 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to tathamoddie
@haacked Newline for sure 8:14 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to haacked
@jeffhandley Agreed. But I don't need a SP for doing CRUD and I don't need a table for making a form :) 7:38 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to jeffhandley
@Encosia @haacked That's exactly the approach I take with forms. Works great, and is much easier to read/change the markup 7:33 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to Encosia
@haacked We're talking designing forms here now doing layout. CSS grid support will enhance layouts, but CSS forms are already easy 7:26 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to haacked
@haacked Alright :) 7:21 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to haacked
@haacked The "right" way might include some tables. But doing a form without tables is so easy a caveman could do it 7:17 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to haacked
@haacked It all depends. If you're site is public with high-visibility, take the time to do it right. If its an internal app, then who cares 7:11 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to haacked
@haacked Poor practices like that cost Target $6 million :) 7:05 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to haacked
@haacked The other problem is that people get used to that "git r done" mentality, which might be fine for lots of companies and apps... 7:04 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to haacked
@haacked Agreed. The reaction to dogma definitely isn't apathy :) 7:00 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to haacked
@haacked There are plenty of horror stories about maintaining/modifying a table-based layout. He almost blindly tells people to stop caring 6:57 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to haacked
@haacked I fully agree with that article, but it's very one-sided and also misleading. Where is the mention of when to actually use CSS? 6:56 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to haacked
@bellware I can't tell if that is supposed to be serious or a huge joke :) 3:04 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to bellware
@bellware Yeah a table would be fine there. Or, you could use a <dl> for the key/value pair of name/description and include the icon via CSS 2:27 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to bellware
@bellware Wouldn't necessarily be non-tabular. Is it just a list of badge names (and icons) that a user has achieved? 2:15 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to bellware
@bellware That's a good point. If the data you want to present is projected in tabular form, then a table is perfect. 2:09 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to bellware
@haacked It isn't just about caring for the semantic web, it's about caring for people who rely on screen readers :) 2:06 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to haacked
@chadmyers "Goo" for sure. Even if it's wrong I'd never say it the other way :) 2:00 PM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to chadmyers
@scottgal Definitely worth doing a talk on :) There's few things more rewarding than a codebase that is "solid" from DB to HTML 1:57 AM Nov 20th from Seesmic in reply to scottgal

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